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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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depends on the game of course, I've recently being playing some X4 Foundations and that is so incredibly CPU bound for me (until I upgrade my CPU) there is no difference in performance from 1080p to 4k Ultra.

Now you could argue game engine is dodgy blah blah but the fact of the matter is there is sod all you can do about it if you want to play that space sim your only option is more CPU juice or wait to see if future patches improve things
 
If AMD get a nice 1440p card with ray tracing etc around £350-£400 mark they will strike gold. Really looking forward to the release, was thinking of going back to Nvidia but these look much more interesting in my budget range.
 
Rroff said:
4K with the kind of settings those benchmarks are run even with 5000 series Ryzen is going to be heavily GPU bound.
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We are guessing that Rroff. At 1080p CPU is giving up to ++30% increase. That will decrease as we go up in resolution. But I still see 5950x giving 5% extra at 4k. Depending on the game.

5950x will be the best gaming CPU out there.
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
We are guessing that Rroff. At 1080p CPU is giving up to ++30% increase. That will decrease as we go up in resolution. But I still see 5950x giving 5% extra at 4k. Depending on the game.

5950x will be the best gaming CPU out there.
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I actually think the 5800x will be the best gaming CPU (and possibly more clockable due to less heat of cores), not sure many games would be using 16 cores, so for me, if I was buying purely for gaming, i'd be going 5800x personally, all cores on the one cache unlike the 5900x as that would have 8 cores and 4 cores if my understanding was correct? and I think that 5950x for gaming wouldn't really be used? Just personal opinion... who knows... I never see many games pegged at 95% on CPU's on my own 8 core ZEON never mind 16 cores?
 
I think Big navi will slot in between the 2080ti and 3080 it might be closer to the 3080 but time will tell of course. it will be my next GPU for sure, an all AMD system for me. hopefully the pricing will be decent. will also want a water block.
 
vapor matt said:
I think Big navi will slot in between the 2080ti and 3080 it might be closer to the 3080 but time will tell of course. it will be my next GPU for sure, an all AMD system for me. hopefully the pricing will be decent. will also want a water block.
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That's what will delay me, I need a water block, even if the cards are available I can't use as the whole system is water cooled, one of the downsides for me, be nice to have them available from day 1.
 
pugheaven said:
I actually think the 5800x will be the best gaming CPU (and possibly more clockable due to less heat of cores), not sure many games would be using 16 cores, so for me, if I was buying purely for gaming, i'd be going 5800x personally, all on the one cache unlike the 5900x, and I think that 5950x for gaming wouldn't really be used? Just personal opinion... who knows... I never see many games pegged at 95% on CPU's on my own 8 core ZEON never mind 16 cores?
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I see where you are going with this but it's not true.
5950x will have cherry picked cores that will be boosting higher in single core. It has same tdp as 5800. Not to mention the larger shared cache which probably helps the gimped bandwidth Navi.
 
Wrinkly said:
We already have seen how consoles are implementing RT. They show 1/4 res RT reflections and reduced number of reflections, e.g. not all NPCs cast a reflection. Don't get me wrong, I think the consoles will do a great job and the PC side even better. They just won't be able to reach the 30 series in RT detail/performance. Remember this is Nvidia's 2nd gen RT. I would have jumped on Turing had it's RT performance been better.

I think my 3080 TUF OC order cost £700 including VAT. They are now £750 :confused: I'll ignore the 20GB version as I feel I will need a new GPU before finding a use for the extra VRAM.

I plan on undervolting and frame capping to keep the temps down. Nothing worse than sweaty gaming.
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I was talking more on a coding level. What algorithms are they using? What order are things being processed in the GPU pipeline? With the different implementations certain scenarios will favour Nvidia over AMD or potentially vice versa. We don't know till these games built with next gen consoles in mind are released.

Control was built for Nvidia's implementation of RT, and leverages the strength of Nvidias implementation.
As an example of what i mean; AC: Valhalla will probably have optmisations for AMD implementation of RT because it is on consoles (Assuming it does have RT, substitute for any other multiplatform game if it doesn't) . Benchmarks might show a 20% difference between Nvidia and AMD in control but a 7% difference in AC: Valhalla.

We also don't know how or if developers will improve RT quality on PC ports. Everything you've listed with regards to consoles RT performance, how do you know developers won't just leave it as is when they bring it over to PC?

You're clearly in no hurry to upgrade, so would it matter if you bought the GPU now or in 6 months when you potentially have more info on RT implementations? Prices could be cheaper 6 months or they may not be.


BIG Phil said:
Would the hype/buzz not be much greater over the next few weeks running up to 28 October if they had shown something that could clearly beat a 3080? I find it odd they would hold back their best benchmarks or at least not hint at them in some way.
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The most important thing is the hype once the official reveal happens. You want maximum hype at the end of thee presentation. The idea being that the momentum carries the hype through till the release/reviews.
If they show us everything they have now, there won't be any surprises for the official reveal. You won't have a lot of hype at the end of the presentation because people already know everything. The hype would just keep dwindling and by the time the product is released, they hype will be lower than the other scenario.
 
Nablaoperator said:
I believe that was a 5900..
At those settings gains are expected to flow from platform superiority rather than the CPU..
so whoever has the fastest datapath/bandwidth to the PCI-E slot in realworld benchmarks will win
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They wouldn't gimp with a slower CPU? That's just doesn't make sense mate. They used the best gaming CPU, ie 5950x with their best Navi 6900xt
 
Richdog said:
According to all of the information I have read on the main sites leaking info, there is no gaming card higher than the 6900XT planned. Only a fully featured workstation card to compete with the Quadro 6000 is planned and that will cost multiple thousands.
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We dont know that what they showed yesterday was the 6900XT, i personally think it was a 6800XT and they have saved a little surprise for everyone...
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
5950x will be the best gaming CPU out there.
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Highly unlikely that the 5950x will be the best gaming CPU of the Zen3 range, just like the 3950x wasn't the best gaming CPU of the Zen2 range. It has the highest stated boost clocks by 100mhz, yes, but that will be limited to a certain number of cores and it is also almost 2x the price of the 5800x for a marginal amount of additional gaming performance. The 5900x is going to be the best overall CPU for any gamer considering it isn't that much more than the 5800x and it is clear that AMD are positioning it as such.
 
I'm hoping that tease from AMD is going to get nVidia sweating and maybe ramping up the release of something like the 16GB 3070s ... and maybe have some kinda official stuff about DLSS 3.0 ... as that's maybe the one place AMD aren't going to be able compete ... but I guess it's all specualtion atm.
 
cliffy said:
We dont know that what they showed yesterday was the 6900XT, i personally think it was a 6800XT and they have saved a little surprise for everyone...
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Based on what info... or are you just talking about pure and unadulterated speculation here? The 6800XT reported specs are not in line with the kind of performance you are trying to pin to it and it will be competing with the 3070, not the 3080.
 
cliffy said:
We dont know that what they showed yesterday was the 6900XT, i personally think it was a 6800XT and they have saved a little surprise for everyone...
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Yeah there's no way they'd show the very top card, they were being very careful with their wording, RX6000 series, adopting the name the community used "Big Navi" and here is that "Big Navi" performance when "Big Navi" can cover at least 3 SKUs, and if they really wanted to jebait everyone is could even be full die Navi 22 at a push.
 
There's a couple of games coming out this year that my R9 390 barely meets the minimum requirements for, such as Watchdogs: Legion, Cyberpunk 2077 and Flight Simulator (2020).

There's already some VR games that my PC doesn't quite meet the min. requirements for, such as HL: Alyx and Skyrim VR, which require a RX 480 or RX 580 as a minimum.

I wonder how much my PC will struggle with other new releases?
 
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