AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Richdog]

What I find funny - these YouTubers generally post a spread of videos with several different claims and people latch onto the ones they want to be true and seemingly forget the ones that weren't (sometimes those videos mysteriously vanish after awhile).

You are completely right, nowadays people can seemingly say anything and people immediately start quoting it as fact instead of weighing up the plausibility vs all of the other various sources of evidence out there. It's classic confirmation bias and the PC enthusiast community is nothing is not varying levels of delusional, mixed with wild optimism, when it comes to their expectations of any new major hardware release. Passion overrides common sense.

I am really hoping AMD produce something good, but to expect the 6900XT to do anything more than compete with the 3080, which is already a fast-as-hell card and Nvidias flagship, is just nuts. By even equalling 3080 performance AMD would be making a big win in terms of progress this generation.

 

[Rroff]

In the current climate with a lot of people indoors looking for distractions just matching the 3080 performance (and down the stack) and without being more expensive AMD will make a killing even if they can't dent nVidia sales.

I think the key for them is a smooth launch.

 

[Calin Banc]

if Cyberpunk uses up more than 10GB of VRAM, then NVIDIA are in trouble imo.

CDPR are kinda close with nVIDIA. Doing something like that would mean to shoot themselves in the foot.
Even the gtx970, if I remember correctly, had problems with the 3.5GB vRAM in SLI situations and in some games, aka not really a problem in general.

Better is to wait and see

 

[Nablaoperator]

You are completely right, nowadays people can seemingly say anything and people immediately start quoting it as fact instead of weighing up the plausibility vs all of the other various sources of evidence out there. It's classic confirmation bias and the PC enthusiast community is nothing is not varying levels of delusional, mixed with wild optimism, when it comes to their expectations of any new major hardware release. Passion overrides common sense.

I am really hoping AMD produce something good, but to expect the 6900XT to do anything more than compete with the 3080, which is already a fast-as-hell card and Nvidias flagship, is just nuts. By even equalling 3080 performance AMD would be making a big win in terms of progress this generation.

I don't think they'd tease the top SKU.. the top SKU is not flagship, it's supposed to be a halo product just like 3090. I believe it's just going to be like Xbox where the flagship is binned and that's a small chip..

Instead I am more worried if those benchmarks don't represent the broader performance.

 

[Richdog]

CDPR are kinda close with nVIDIA. Doing something like that would mean to shoot themselves in the foot.
Even the gtx970, if I remember correctly, had problems with the 3.5GB vRAM in SLI situations and in some games, aka not really a problem in general.

Better is to wait and see

I would be very surprised if CP77 used more than 10GB VRAM at 4k. Maybe in future if it gets a dedicated modding scene and they ramp up the texture quality and resolutions like with Witcher 3, Skyrim and FO4.

I don't think they'd tease the top SKU.. the top SKU is not flagship, it's supposed to be a halo product just like 3090. I believe it's just going to be like Xbox where the flagship is binned and that's a small chip..

Instead I am more worried if those benchmarks don't represent the broader performance.

Lets see and I may be wrong, but I will be very surprised if there is an AMD gaming card above the 6900XT. Don't get me wrong though, I would be happy if there is as I want AMD to do as well as possible this generation but I am keeping my expectations realistic based on the info available and the specs we have seen.

 

[Rroff]

I don't think they'd tease the top SKU.. the top SKU is not flagship, it's supposed to be a halo product just like 3090. I believe it's just going to be like Xbox where the flagship is binned and that's a small chip..

Instead I am more worried if those benchmarks don't represent the broader performance.

AMD would be crazy not to do a halo card with cherry picked cores, etc. the PR alone would have a lot of value.

There is a theme with AMD's presentations of showing the big gains up front and then sliding in the more realistic gains behind (not really an unusual tactic but there is a defined trait to the way AMD do it) so these numbers probably follow that style but that doesn't hugely change the story here I think - it is unlikely they've put up numbers in those titles like this without a reasonably decent showing elsewhere though RT performance is still somewhat vague without enough information to really compare.

When I ran the numbers off the Borderlands results against the 5700XT results taking into account realistic estimates for things like architectural improvements the numbers come back suspiciously close to that of an expected 4608 shader part on RDNA2 (twice landed at the same conclusion without even aiming at any expected spec) physically it just doesn't work for any lower spec that has been talked about within realistic estimates for commercial viable silicon, etc. - but I still don't believe AMD is baiting here - the tone of their presentation was all wrong for that IMO if they had some nVidia killer waiting in the wings they'd have shown some glimpse of it even if not fully revealed.

 

[gpuerrilla]

It's a lot of money to spend on precisely.. nothing. Do feel for them, ocuk should have sold what they had then closed the book.

Looking forward to a big Navi pyramid..

Sadly, maybe they could have had a better experience if they waited (for less time)

 

[midweek]

I think the key for them is a smooth launch.

If they can launch a card that's around the 3080 in performance, maybe slightly cheaper than 3080 MSRP and is actually available to buy without 2 month long waiting lists then they will do very well.

 

[Rroff]

If they can launch a card that's around the 3080 in performance, maybe slightly cheaper than 3080 MSRP and is actually available to buy without 2 month long waiting lists then they will do very well.

Yeah - some of what I said is kind of obvious of any launch but my point being there is a demand out there right now partly due to the current state of the world, AMD doesn't necessarily have to win certain fights like performance or price to tap into it, which might have been harder at other times, and do very well but they do need to execute smoothly on what they have.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah - some of what I said is kind of obvious of any launch but my point being there is a demand out there right now partly due to the current state of the world, AMD doesn't necessarily have to win certain fights like performance or price to tap into it, which might have been harder at other times, and do very well but they do need to execute smoothly on what they have.

Exactly. If the 5700XT was selling really well for months competing against three nvidia offerings (2060S, 2070 and 2070S) the market is still biased on value. This time there is added influence from availability, many buyers also purchase these days on the 'I want it now' too. AMD have really got it on a plate right now, if they want the knockout punch they just need to drop a bomb coming in low price (say extra $50 discount and game bundle) even if its a short term deal. We just dont know if they have the inventory to back it up.

 

[JediFragger]

the PR alone would have a lot of value.

Have you *seen* AMD 'marketing'??

 

[Rroff]

Exactly. If the 5700XT was selling really well for months competing against three nvidia offerings (2060S, 2070 and 2070S) the market is still biased on value. This time there is added influence from availability, many buyers also purchase these days on the 'I want it now' too. AMD have really got it on a plate right now, if they want the knockout punch they just need to drop a bomb coming in low price (say extra $50 discount and game bundle) even if its a short term deal. We just dont know if they have the inventory to back it up.

Not saying AMD can't or shouldn't win certain fights - but there are a lot of bored people sitting around at home right now - AMD can make some serious money by just not screwing up.

 

[cliffy]

RedGamingTech seems to be yet another mickey mouse Techtuber, among the hundreds of mickey mouse Techtubers now filling the platform, with less than 100k subs, engaging in speculation based on the same info as the rest of us and he quotes no inside sources. I fail to see why anyone would watch this channel when there are so many better and more credible ones out there. What I quoted was insider info from one of the biggest retailers in the world who actually have access to information the average person does not. If you can't see the obvious difference and instead just want to indulge in the wild and hilarious optimism that AMD showed their upper-mid-range card competing with a 3080, then lets agree to disagree and not waste any more time.

We will find out in 3 weeks. I don’t take everything in see on YouTube as gospel and not do I cherry pick the info. Red tech do however seem to get quite a lot right though. I also really doubt the validity of details coming from a shop and see no reason why they would have inside knowledge. My initial statement remain true neither of us have info and both are speculating

 

[Rroff]

We will find out in 3 weeks. I don’t take everything in see on YouTube as gospel and not do I cherry pick the info. Red tech do however seem to get quite a lot right though. I also really doubt the validity of details coming from a shop and see no reason why they would have inside knowledge. My initial statement remain true neither of us have info and both are speculating

Problem with details coming from a shop - they often do get information well ahead of time - but quite often that is placeholder data so they can get the formatting right for their promotional materials and so on and may only be representative of the final product.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

A 5600X instead of just a 5600 bumped their bottom CPU up to nearly £300 (replacing the 3600 which was probably the most popular PC enthusiast CPU on the market for less than £200.

Isn't this a case of AMD leading with the X parts to maximise early profits, with cheaper non-X SKU's to follow? That's what I'm expecting at least, although I guess the latter will still be more expensive than the last gen. If the performance is there though I don't think it's unreasonable.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Have a vega56 right now and play on a 4k monitor. Newer games just drop down res looks great etc. However there was no point in going 2070S/5700XT it was not good enough to power 4k monitor so the new releases if they are going to command upwards of £500 need to be able to cope with the 4k pace for me. Im not on about crazy 60+hz refreshes and wide screen etc just regular 4k/60 perfect for now.

 

[Howling]

Lets see and I may be wrong, but I will be very surprised if there is an AMD gaming card above the 6900XT. Don't get me wrong though, I would be happy if there is as I want AMD to do as well as possible this generation but I am keeping my expectations realistic based on the info available and the specs we have seen.

They may not have a card higher than that. But from the tone of your post(s) you seem to be assuming the figures from the CPU presentation are that of the 6900XT? If so, can you share the source that makes you assert as such?

 

[chrcoluk]

Looks like this will be halfway between 3070 and 3080, which for AMD is a milestone, they were never going to be on par with Nvidia in my opinion. remember the figures in the presentation are on a new unreleased cpu which by AMD's own admission adds significant performance to games.

 

[Richdog]

They may not have a card higher than that. But from the tone of your post(s) you seem to be assuming the figures from the CPU presentation are that of the 6900XT? If so, can you share the source that makes you assert as such?

I already wrote why and am not going to repeat myself, please go back and read the posts.

 

[cliffy]

They may not have a card higher than that. But from the tone of your post(s) you seem to be assuming the figures from the CPU presentation are that of the 6900XT? If so, can you share the source that makes you assert as such?

This is how i should have written my original post