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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Greebo said:
That graph is without RT and DLSS. It is expected AMD will only have half or less the RT performance so Nvidia will concentrate on that and they are really really pushing DLSS in everything so with RT on, Nvidia equivalent cards will be faster again. With DLSS they will open up the gap a lot. All depends if you want t game with DLSS on or how much support in games there is.

Ig AMD give me a raw power 3090 beater for £800 I am all over it. I dont care about RT and DLSS. I will game in full native 4k between 60 and 120 fps and max quality. That wll do until next gen when RT will have improved.
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Ray tracing and dlss for the 10 or 20 games that support it of which I’ll probably play like 4 of them? (I say this as a 2080 owner who is yet to use his rtx cores for more than 3 hours)
 
Nablaoperator said:
lulz.. anyone going RTX on in Exodus is a certified masochist

I was looking at rx5700 XT perf in gears 5 seems it's around 39-40 fps the sku teased is accordingly 1.8x Rx 5700 XT
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Yeah isn't that because the ray tracing in Exodus uses all the ray tracing tech available? And not just the simple versions used in other games? I'd personally say only once we see like at most a 20% drop in fps using very high quality ray tracing will it be fully viable.

As for the 5700XT, it lags behind in 4k compared to 1080p/1440p, it's probably architectural, if that was fixed to compare better at 4K against the 2070S for example, it'd perform maybe 10% better than it currently does. Which would make the Navi shown more like 1.6/1.7 the performance of the 5700XT, and they are aiming for at least 2x at the top end.
 
Soapysage said:
Yeah isn't that because the ray tracing in Exodus uses all the ray tracing tech available? And not just the simple versions used in other games? I'd personally say only once we see like at most a 20% drop in fps using very high quality ray tracing will it be fully viable.
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I think Exodus only uses GI (global illumination).
 
humbug said:
The thing is, Chiphell are usually right.

If this were true, along with Zen 3, Good Grief you have to hand it to AMD..........
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And if it's true (very unlikely imho), AMD will have NO problem charging £1500 for Big Navi.

Of course, you'll still be able to buy their mid-range card for a mid-range price, something like £600 :p Haha.
 
Soapysage said:
Isn't global illumination the most demanding RT?
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Sorry, I thought you meant that Exodus was the most demanding RT game so far. I think the most impressive RT use so far is Quake2, which I think only uses rastered explosions. It's not full path tracing as it still needs to denoise.

I found Exodus with RT on playable with a 1080Ti, while Quake 2 chugged along.
 
EastCoastHandle said:

And there is more.

Noticing a lot of vids on this debate...
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Yeah cause no one knows what Big Navi it is, I personally think it's the N21 variant they expect most people to buy, showing the performance they'll get with that card. It's like the Zen 2 and 3 announcements, they didn't start with the 16 core, they started with the 8 core for Zen 2, then 12 core for Zen 3 then start going up. So would make sense to show the card they'll start the RDNA2 announcement with, then they'll go up one or more likely two tiers to show off the top card, then they'll drop back down to show Navi 22 and below.
 
aoaaron said:
Ray tracing and dlss for the 10 or 20 games that support it of which I’ll probably play like 4 of them? (I say this as a 2080 owner who is yet to use his rtx cores for more than 3 hours)
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Hero for being honest. Sums up my opinion of raytracing justifiers when it comes to turing defenders especially the lower tier cards below the 2080Ti where its unique if it can run it smooth.
 
Yuck, youtube vulture channels will be churning this for the next 2 weeks solid.

What do you think about my low content video and unoriginal thoughts that AMD might be saving GPU performance for the actual GPU presentation?

Leave your comments below!
 
Not sucking into the hype at this stage. If they have another card thats better to stir the hornets nest with nvidia then great! Me personally will only be investing in a 4k capable card for the cheapest price - hoping for £500-600. Willy waving £1000+ cards is not in my budget but I can understand from a brand perspective why this wins mindshare.
 
Getting tired of most of these rumor mill channels. You can like or dislike AdoredTV but at least he puts some effort into his content with his own breakdowns, calculations, and reasoning behind his statements instead of the GamerMeld's of youtube just plagiarising and regurgitating the same **** over and over. I actually rarely watch most of the leaks videos on youtube due to the sheer number of people saying the same stupid and unfounded things. I mean, some person just made a video based on a Videocardz article, do you really need to make a video covering another video covering an unfounded rumor article? If you have nothing to add to the discussion why make a video? It's a whole new business on youtube apparently.
 
Reading through many posts on this thread, I think there's an undercurrent of disappointment regarding the Big Navi GPU results shown a few days ago, that people are trying to mask by referring to endless rumours about another GPU, thats supposedly a lot faster than what theyve been shown. Many won't admit this disappointment until the 'real' launch date has passed.

These rumours come from an industry, this industry does not reward truth, it rewards long, rambling videos, that do not require any evidence, with few consequences if content misleads people, or is completely made up.

The other thing is, some rumours point to many different products in the rx 6000 series being released. Is that consistent with previous AMD generations? We only got 2 GPUs initially for RDNA 1 and the Vega series.

P.S. articles that mention taking things with a grain of salt are worthless.
 
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Th0nt said:
Hero for being honest. Sums up my opinion of raytracing justifiers when it comes to turing defenders especially the lower tier cards below the 2080Ti where its unique if it can run it smooth.
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Yeah, at this stage my main driving force for an upgrade will be who can give me 2x HDMI 2.1 ports and 10bit output at 4k/120hz. So far NVIDIA can give me that.
If AMD don't match that, they are dead to me sadly as now is not the time to lock away 10bit output to protect your prosumer cards.

If AMD manage to match that.. which should be a given.. then they need to surpass NVIDIA's rasterisation and IMO offer some form of unique feature +/- some raytracing performance just so we know its in the pipeline (I have no doubt they'll do this as the PS5/XBOX has some form of ray tracing).

It it can't match (or I'd prefer) surpass the 3080 which is the most expensive card I'm willing to part cash with, then I'll just go for NVIDIA sadly because whats the point buying a slower card with more VRAM. every FPS kinda counts.

I don't feel to happy given NVIDIA my money either with the 3080 20gb maybe around the corner.

I'm not in a rush to upgrade though anyway. If Cyberpunk runs on my 2080 with DLSS and some RTX, I might just skip this generation as I can't think of another game which brings my PC to its knees which I'm interested in. I already had to 1440p my way through RDR2 which was annoying.

In the next 1-2 years I see only a few games with RTX I'm interested in.. one is cyberpunk, the witcher 3 remaster, vampyre 2, watch dog legions... which I'll probably not play through completely...

and of those games the only one which has impressed me with rtx on is cyberpunk.

I like the direction this has gone in. AMD are clearly now relavant again. Thats amazing for gaming. Really amazing. If they are going to basically ignore RTX then they need to beat nvidia on rasterisation (sorry I know this is a big ask).

If AMD pull off a miracle and match the 3090 with little to no rTX features, I'll go with AMD.
 
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