AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[aoaaron]

Reading through many posts on this thread, I think there's an undercurrent of disappointment regarding the Big Navi GPU results shown a few days ago, that people are trying to mask by referring to endless rumours about another GPU, thats supposedly a lot faster than what theyve been shown. Many won't admit this disappointment until the 'real' launch date has passed.

These rumours come from an industry, this industry does not reward truth, it rewards long, rambling videos, that do not require any evidence, with few consequences if content misleads people, or is completely made up.

P.S. articles that mention taking things with a grain of salt are worthless.

The other thing is, some rumours point to many different producs in the rx 6000 series being released. Is that consistent with previous AMD generations? We only got 2 GPUs initially for RDNA 1 and the Vega series.

I get this feeling too.

The numbers are good from a point that 'AMD are relavant again' but those numbers aren't going to stop anyone from getting a 3080.

My hopes (and a few others here) are pinned on that AMD showed benchmarks of their mid-tier card and they have one or two higher end cards which will put the sword to NVIDIA.

 

[jimferno]

I'm still of the opinion AMDs top GPU will trade blows with the 3080 but won't quite match it.

Regardless, unless my GPU pops, I generally sit out 2-3 years between upgrades. It's just interesting to see if AMD can work some of that Ryzen magic on their Radeon line-up after years of mediocrity

 

[TrM]

I get this feeling too.

The numbers are good from a point that 'AMD are relavant again' but those numbers aren't going to stop anyone from getting a 3080.

My hopes (and a few others here) are pinned on that AMD showed benchmarks of their mid-tier card and they have one or two higher end cards which will put the sword to NVIDIA.

i personally hope that amd showed there top card. here is the thing everyone is speculating that it was there lower big navi based on 72cu whihc is a good showing vs the 3080.
now if the 80cu version is closer to the 3090 which has also been said. So will the price of the graphic card. I cant see amd pricing the 80cu version that could match the 3090 at a price below £1k maybe ven closer to 1.2k.

AMd have shown they are movable on price but why price somthing that could match a 3090 at 3080 money? But if amd did show there best and comes close to 3080 which wasn;t to far off the pricing will be vs the 3080 and much better for everyone wanting a top gpu.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Reading through many posts on this thread, I think there's an undercurrent of disappointment regarding the Big Navi GPU results shown a few days ago, that people are trying to mask by referring to endless rumours about another GPU, thats supposedly a lot faster than what theyve been shown. Many won't admit this disappointment until the 'real' launch date has passed.

These rumours come from an industry, this industry does not reward truth, it rewards long, rambling videos, that do not require any evidence, with few consequences if content misleads people, or is completely made up.

The other thing is, some rumours point to many different products in the rx 6000 series being released. Is that consistent with previous AMD generations? We only got 2 GPUs initially for RDNA 1 and the Vega series.

P.S. articles that mention taking things with a grain of salt are worthless.

I think you fail to see the forest before the bark of the tree in front of you. While you see an undercurrent of disappointment I see an undercurrent of fear of the performance of big navi. Something LS referred to, by the community as RX 6000, not the RX 6900. Some are trying to mask those results by referring to endless negative speculation that Big Navi: RX 6000 Series, has to be RX6900, etc. And further adding that it's slower then Ampere overall in order to compensate and quell those fears.

Lets be mindful this is a rumor thread. People will post and discuss speculation on Navi 2 that doesn't involve "proving anything". As they have the ability to see the gray area of discussion. I do think and believe that people can indeed speculate without feeling they are hyped about it. And can discuss speculating positively about it as exampled through out this thread without being labeled for it.

 

[aoaaron]

i personally hope that amd showed there top card. here is the thing everyone is speculating that it was there lower big navi based on 72cu whihc is a good showing vs the 3080.
now if the 80cu version is closer to the 3090 which has also been said. So will the price of the graphic card. I cant see amd pricing the 80cu version that could match the 3090 at a price below £1k maybe ven closer to 1.2k.

AMd have shown they are movable on price but why price somthing that could match a 3090 at 3080 money? But if amd did show there best and comes close to 3080 which wasn;t to far off the pricing will be vs the 3080 and much better for everyone wanting a top gpu.

I see where you're coming from for price and competitions sake.
I think AMD get between a 3080 and 3090, it'll force NVIDIA to refresh cards early.

 

[Hotwired]

Imagine being scared of the implications of AMD's ambiguous gpu tease.

All I'm sure of is that it'll make the next event much less entertaining if they spoiled their best GPU performance 3 weeks earlier in their CPU reveal.

 

[g67575]

i'd like AMD to build a faster GPU than 'Big Navi' this year. After all the launch dicking about and hesitancy from AMD (NV's launch was poor in other ways), I just dont think its remotely likely to happen. This is completely forgiveable however, AMD still has some catching up to do with NV.

The problem is, I think, people simply dont want to wait 6-12 months for improved AMD 5nm GPUs. I dont like it either much, but its what I think a lot of people will end up doing, if £650 is just to high a price to buy a RTX 3080 this year.

 

[Joxeon]

I get this feeling too.

The numbers are good from a point that 'AMD are relavant again' but those numbers aren't going to stop anyone from getting a 3080.

My hopes (and a few others here) are pinned on that AMD showed benchmarks of their mid-tier card and they have one or two higher end cards which will put the sword to NVIDIA.

dont the 3080 only run borderlands at 4K at a similar fps? Also these might OC better since the 3080 is a dog when it comes to OC.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

It's hilarious that I'm reading disapproval about AMD's sneak peak of their RX6000 series to be honest. Lets compare and contrast the 2 launches in this duopoly. And I will keep my eye out when AMD hard launches as well. But, so far:

-3080, called the flagship card, has lower vram then the 1080ti and 2080ti
-AIBs charging higher prices then oem
-1 AIB caught scalping it's own customers
-Some AIBs using an imbalanced capacitors causing blackscreens and ctd. Some caught it before shipping while others didn't causing more delays.
-Paper Launch with only a few 1000 world wide (per Jayztwocents)
-Won't be able to replenish stock fully until around 2021
-Nvidia store crashing, and is accused of exposing customer data. Also show $899 prices for the 3080. Which was said to be fixed now.
-3090 disappointing performance uplift from a 3080 but cost upwards of $900 more.
-AIB using power connectors were the pins bend as you plug the cable into the socket.

When it comes to AMD's sneek peek I just don't see the comparison based on the competition's release. It would take a lot of mental gymnastics to contort and twist what AMD has done, so far, as a negative.

 

[Grim5]

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[Absolutely Clueless]

It's hilarious that I'm reading disapproval about AMD's sneak peak of their RX6000 series to be honest. Lets compare and contrast the 2 launches in this duopoly. And I will keep my eye out when AMD hard launches as well. But, so far:

-3080, called the flagship card, has lower vram then the 1080ti and 2080ti
-AIBs charging higher prices then oem
-1 AIB caught scalping it's own customers
-Some AIBs using an imbalanced capacitors causing blackscreens and ctd. Some caught it before shipping while others didn't causing more delays.
-Paper Launch with only a few 1000 world wide (per Jayztwocents)
-Won't be able to replenish stock fully until around 2021
-Nvidia store crashing, and is accused of exposing customer data. Also show $899 prices for the 3080. Which was said to be fixed now.
-3090 disappointing performance uplift from a 3080 but cost upwards of $900 more.
-AIB using power connectors were the pins bend as you plug the cable into the socket.

When it comes to AMD's sneek peek I just don't see the comparison based on the competition's release. It would take a lot of mental gymnastics to contort and twist what AMD has done, so far, as a negative.

I love mental gymnastics! AMD will have to pull out all the stops if they want to screw up their two upcoming launches anywhere near as much as Nvidia. I do think supply will be pretty limited though.

 

[Rroff]

-Some AIBs using an imbalanced capacitors causing blackscreens and ctd. Some caught it before shipping while others didn't causing more delays.

I wish people would actually get the truth of this - I find it cheapens criticisms even if there is a valid overall case - where the facts are distorted just to sling more mud. I'm surprised you didn't throw several random mentions of POSCAPs in there a few times just for effect.

-Nvidia store crashing

Same with this - it is just desperate to sling mud - everywhere saw unprecedented demand with several retailers websites taken out for hours at a time and even unrelated sites thinking they were being DDOS'd.

 

[TNA]

I wish people would actually get the truth of this - I find it cheapens criticisms even if there is a valid overall case - where the facts are distorted just to sling more mud. I'm surprised you didn't throw several random mentions of POSCAPs in there a few times just for effect.



Same with this - it is just desperate to sling mud - everywhere saw unprecedented demand with several retailers websites taken out for hours at a time and even unrelated sites thinking they were being DDOS'd.

East will take all the cheap shots and sling all the mud he can

 

[Rroff]

East will take all the cheap shots and sling all the mud he can

I think deep down he is worried AMD won't execute and trying to get the excuses/deflections in now

 

[TNA]

I think deep down he is worried AMD won't execute and trying to get the excuses/deflections in now

 

[KentMan]

Here comes Rroff, defender of Nvidia, cape flapping in the wind.

Its almost as if any criticism of Nvidias launch shines a torch in the sky for him to respond to, its getting old now and beyond transparent that he more than likely has a vested interest in Nvidia, there is no other explanation for his constant staunch defence of them.

Constantly downplaying Nvidias bad launch while also constantly harping on with his fag packet maths that AMD played their full hand already, as if he has some superior knowledge of their architecture as he once picked up a soldering iron...

Its getting pretty tragic his constant defence of green and semi veiled hatred of AMD, i say semi veiled as he on numerous occasions has pointed out he wont personally use AMD, but of course recommends them to others yada yada. The guy quite frankly is a joke.

As for the other posters with their constantly moving goal posts of performance required from AMD, i find it hilarious that AMD needs to bring better performance than Nvidia, both with RT on and off, needs to have a DLSS option coming soon, and needs to be cheaper for them to consider leaving their nvidia queue lmao.

I hope AMD matches Nvidia performance without gimmicky RT, and DLSS and slots in a similar price point, my only want, is available stock at launch so i can enjoy that performance while your still sat in your Nvidia queue waiting to buy the same performance but with RT and DLSS betterment in those 10 games that use it.

Honestly a lot if posters here need a reality check.

 

[TNA]

Here comes Rroff, defender of Nvidia, cape flapping in the wind.

He took over the duties of D.P.

I remember whenever someone said anything negative about Nvidia he would magically turn up. Only time you would see him in the GPU section. Lol.

 

[Rroff]

Here comes Rroff, defender of Nvidia, cape flapping in the wind.

Its almost as if any criticism of Nvidias launch shines a torch in the sky for him to respond to, its getting old now and beyond transparent that he more than likely has a vested interest in Nvidia, there is no other explanation for his constant staunch defence of them.

Constantly downplaying Nvidias bad launch while also constantly harping on with his fag packet maths that AMD played their full hand already, as if he has some superior knowledge of their architecture as he once picked up a soldering iron...

Its getting pretty tragic his constant defence of green and semi veiled hatred of AMD, i say semi veiled as he on numerous occasions has pointed out he wont personally use AMD, but of course recommends them to others yada yada. The guy quite frankly is a joke.

This is the problem with people like you who somehow only see my posts through a filter of what you want to see and only see one side - if you actually saw the full scope of my posts you'd know I have never, ever, been veiled or semi-veiled about my dislike of AMD - for ~14 years of posting here I've been transparent and up front that I do not like AMD*. However that has never meant I haven't been objective or given praise where it is due - it doesn't take much searching and you will also find posts where I've defended them and been very positive of AMD (albeit that is more in the CPU section than GPU section) something that you won't find all too often both ways around with fanboys but for some reason is especially strong in some AMD fans who can't for a moment even poke fun at AMD while slinging all the mud they can find at nVidia.

If I was out to constantly defend nVidia and trash AMD there is a lot more I could do and say on both parts - if I was trying to do down AMD for instance I could like some be insistent they can't even compete with the 3070, etc. etc.

Also it won't take long to find posts where I've been critical, sometimes scathingly so, of nVidia.

* I'll put it in bold here for the inevitable next time someone comes along with an accusation along those lines.

EDIT: I also find it pretty sad you have to try and trivialise my knowledge with lines like "because he once picked up a soldering iron" quite childish on your part.

Honestly a lot if posters here need a reality check.

Yes... I'm here to provide a dose of reality - some people are hyping up scenarios which are physically impossible.

 

[TNA]

This is the problem with people like you who somehow only see my posts through a filter of what you want to see and only see one side - if you actually saw the full scope of my posts you'd know I have never, ever, been veiled or semi-veiled about my dislike of AMD - for ~14 years of posting here I've been transparent and up front that I do not like AMD*. However that has never meant I haven't been objective or given praise where it is due - it doesn't take much searching and you will also find posts where I've defended them and been very positive of AMD (albeit that is more in the CPU section than GPU section) something that you won't find all too often both ways around with fanboys but for some reason is especially strong in some AMD fans who can't for a moment even poke fun at AMD while slinging all the mud they can find at nVidia.

If I was out to constantly defend nVidia and trash AMD there is a lot more I could do and say on both parts - if I was trying to do down AMD for instance I could like some be insistent they can't even compete with the 3070, etc. etc.

Also it won't take long to find posts where I've been critical, sometimes scathingly so, of nVidia.

* I'll put it in bold here for the inevitable next time someone comes along with an accusation along those lines.



Yes... I'm here to provide a dose of reality - some people are hyping up scenarios which are physically impossible.

But why recommend them and not buy? We are already in a duopoly situation, not exactly a good idea being stuck with only intel and nvidia. End of the day whatever happened all those years ago was done under a different CEO and management team. Hell I hate many things nvidia do, still won’t stop me buying what I want

 

[g67575]

Lol, you lot are obsessed with NV. Do you think people want to read more AMD vs Nvidia nonsense?

Meanwhile AMD seems to be doing its own thing anyway, with the RDNA 2 series release date based around the console launches.

Still see no reason why the likely outcome of waiting 6-12 months for 5nm GPUs shouldnt already be something that is considered, or at least discussed. Is thinking about upgrading your GPU later so terrible to contemplate?

It annoys me a bit that the rumour mill hasnt yet moved on from RDNA 2, and so wont discuss 5nm GPUs yet, which we know are definately coming in 2021 or 2022 at the latest (based on TSMC 5nm customer lists for these years).