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Because he's still got to drive it and pay for it for 4 years? Why does the funding method make any difference to that?
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Because he's still got to drive it and pay for it for 4 years? Why does the funding method make any difference to that?
Ironically the legacy manufacturers which had experience in making cars are struggling to compete with companies like Tesla , that have more experience
If EU follows suite - Kona's got an up coming battery short recall ! posted on Wed; could say, that trumps id3 issues,
which, mostly, seem to be 12v battery drain related, and, that has afflicted other evs, https://insideevs.com/news/451247/vw-id3-30-cases-12v-battery-issues/
so vw are guilty of not learning their solutions.
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Article on car software https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...ing-car-software-and-electronics-architecture
predicate seems to be OTA updates are some kind of essential component ..
I don't see this after all Tesla's updated fripperies, nothing safety critical afaik - infotainment, tweeks on battery management/acceleration
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which, mostly, seem to be 12v battery drain related, and, that has afflicted other evs, https://insideevs.com/news/451247/vw-id3-30-cases-12v-battery-issues/
so vw are guilty of not learning their solutions.
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Article on car software https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...ing-car-software-and-electronics-architecture
predicate seems to be OTA updates are some kind of essential component ..
I don't see this after all Tesla's updated fripperies, nothing safety critical afaik - infotainment, tweeks on battery management/acceleration
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Indeed and as they have suppliers who offer this stuff sometimes the warranty recall is in the press but really it’s a way for the OEM to claim the costs of the fix whilst being seen to be doing the right thing after the Ford Firestone situation.
Tesla might not have the same issues... or maybe they do. They are unlikely to recall as it’s all internal costs to fix so instead you might just see reduction in charge speeds to mitigate issues, but it’s then perceived legacy makers can’t engineer stuff properly.
Tesla might not have the same issues... or maybe they do. They are unlikely to recall as it’s all internal costs to fix so instead you might just see reduction in charge speeds to mitigate issues, but it’s then perceived legacy makers can’t engineer stuff properly.
Tesla don’t need to do recalls for a huge number of issues. The do an OTA update and issue a fix list. They’ve literally fixed thousands of bugs over the years but most people never notice because it’s all done in the background.
I’ve got a Kona as a hire car at the moment and it’s very good but don’t get a Kona, get the Kia e-Niro it’s the same drivetrain but with some legroom in the back and a decent sized boot. Other than that it’s a very nice drive.
One thing that often gets overlooked when comparing cars like the Kona, e-Niro, DS3, Vauxhall Mokka-e, Peugeot e2008 is the Korean cars are 204PS whereas the French cars are 136PS and that’s very noticeable. And the Korean cars really do do 300 miles on a charge. I’ve not spent more than 10 minutes in the DS3 but it was only showing 140 miles with 80% charge. That’s not that great really.
I’ve got a Kona as a hire car at the moment and it’s very good but don’t get a Kona, get the Kia e-Niro it’s the same drivetrain but with some legroom in the back and a decent sized boot. Other than that it’s a very nice drive.
One thing that often gets overlooked when comparing cars like the Kona, e-Niro, DS3, Vauxhall Mokka-e, Peugeot e2008 is the Korean cars are 204PS whereas the French cars are 136PS and that’s very noticeable. And the Korean cars really do do 300 miles on a charge. I’ve not spent more than 10 minutes in the DS3 but it was only showing 140 miles with 80% charge. That’s not that great really.
Have to say the fact that my Ioniq is still easily achieving 175 miles on a charge is great, I do expect some weeks for it to drop to 160 miles if we go below 0c for a decent amount of time, but it is such an efficient vehicle. Non of this really matters though, as it is parked at home every night and can be easily charged if/when required and pre-heating is obviously a bonus. I think I am going to struggle to find a better car at a better value come the end of the lease, and might end up rolling it on to a monthly if I don't see anything that will beat it from all aspects.
And unlike the Kona, the Ioniq is actually quite a big car inside. Good space front and back and a very big boot. I’m really surprised it hasn’t had a bigger battery pack version.
can the additional power be used ?, as we discussed kona&Co have wheel spin, plus older i3, due to potentially inferior traction control (not class leading like bmw ARB)
are there similar accusations about European contingent ?
Also, are real world 80-120kph' so different kona is 5s tesla mod3 3.4s , can't see e2008/corsa
Yes, absolutely you can use the power. You just need to have an educated right foot. I don’t think I’ve spun up the front wheels once in 2 weeks of driving.
I think there was a double whammy where the early cars were delivered with the tyres pumped up to 46PSI (currently 36PSI) and reviewers basically jumping into cars, putting them in sport mode then wheel-tramping their way to the next charging station.
I think there was a double whammy where the early cars were delivered with the tyres pumped up to 46PSI (currently 36PSI) and reviewers basically jumping into cars, putting them in sport mode then wheel-tramping their way to the next charging station.
This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuu4AkKzY-k review has the Peugeot e2008 80-120kmh time at 7.1s and this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EX7rtbJlk by the same reviewer is the Kona at 4.6s so yes, there is a substantial difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuu4AkKzY-k is the e208 also at 7.1s
Tbh even the Zoe with its massive 110hp wheelspins easily in the slightest amount of damp if you mash your foot to the ground!
I need a comparative ev laptime on the currently tractor muddied Cambs/fens roads ... the old addage of power is nothing without control issue.
If the wheels are spinning you are eating your tyres too.
In the mid tier ev's kona/corsa/pug/id3 I'm thinking id3(+enyaq) with rwd should be the better handling, without having resort to fancy dsc/traction controls.
actually these folks are pretty good (haven't seen any better eu tests? across all media) - they haven't done a moose+slalem test on id3 yet, but the peugot is beating the kona,
Peugeot e-208 2020 - Maniobra de esquiva (moose test) y eslalon | km77.com
Hyundai Kona 2018 - Maniobra de esquiva (moose test) y eslalon | km77.com
If the wheels are spinning you are eating your tyres too.
In the mid tier ev's kona/corsa/pug/id3 I'm thinking id3(+enyaq) with rwd should be the better handling, without having resort to fancy dsc/traction controls.
actually these folks are pretty good (haven't seen any better eu tests? across all media) - they haven't done a moose+slalem test on id3 yet, but the peugot is beating the kona,
Peugeot e-208 2020 - Maniobra de esquiva (moose test) y eslalon | km77.com
Hyundai Kona 2018 - Maniobra de esquiva (moose test) y eslalon | km77.com
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I don't think it will properly take off until it is as convenient in every way to the ICE. People compare it to the exponential rise of things like the smartphone. The massive difference is those other technologies make lives easier / provide a function people want. The electric vehicle does not fall into that category so there will be no real drive from the consumer.
I read an article on a Japanese firm that had created a swapable battery. I could see that kind of thing working - a pitstop type arrangement to get a fully charge battery. Avoids all the issues of home charging infrastructure etc.
I read an article on a Japanese firm that had created a swapable battery. I could see that kind of thing working - a pitstop type arrangement to get a fully charge battery. Avoids all the issues of home charging infrastructure etc.
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It’s taking off now, no need for these wacky theories where waking up to a full car of cheap energy is some how less convenient than having to stop to re-fuel on route. Plus the car is way more refined.
NIO have been doing the swap thing for a while now, based on you buying the car and renting the battery, they also have different size batteries and hence tariffs for where you want longer range.
talk of France applying a super tax to anything over 1800kg might also start settling this idea all EV “must” do 500miles before people will consider them.
NIO have been doing the swap thing for a while now, based on you buying the car and renting the battery, they also have different size batteries and hence tariffs for where you want longer range.
talk of France applying a super tax to anything over 1800kg might also start settling this idea all EV “must” do 500miles before people will consider them.
There is no doubt that for most people, most of the time, EVs 100% are the answer. Short journeys from home to work 5 days a week with a shopping trip and a short trip to the park with the dog are perfect for EVs. The challenge is that people have relatives they want to visit, or summer holidays and they get really hung up on that when they’re looking at cars.
And as someone who does a high mileage I have to plan everything, and a backup plan for when you get to the charger and someone is already using it. I’ve seen services on the M6 with all the Tesla Superchargers occupied and people getting properly annoyed because they had to wait. And I got to Leicester Forest Services last Wednesday and the one CCS charger wasn’t working. That’s irksome. So I drove to Donnington and it wasn’t working either. I arrived at Sheffield something or other on 2% and thankfully that was available. And you can’t really just do a top-up because the Electric Highway chargers charge you for 45 minutes even if you only stay for 10 or 15. So I don’t think the charging infrastructure is there. Yet. It’s coming though.
Wouldn’t you expect a low hatchback to beat an SUV in the Elk test? Let’s see Kona vs. e2008 before you make any claims. And that’s the 2018 Kona so the tyres were probably pumped up too hard to try to boost the range. In 2018 they were claiming 270 miles. In 2019 they claimed 283 miles and in 2020 they’re saying 300 miles on a charge.
And as stated, if you actually drive the car rather than just mash the throttle everywhere, the Kona doesn’t spin up it’s tyres. And I’d rather be in a FWD car on a muddy or snowy road than a RWD one. Remember that in most of Europe it’s a legal requirement to have winter tyres when it snows. I would imagine it will take about 5 ********** on the road and the forums will be full of people posting how the RWD iD3 is rubbish on snow. Because it’s designed to be used with winter tyres and almost no-one in the UK has winter tyres.
Ecotricity haven’t charged per 45min session for years. They charge per kWh. A top up is entirely possible. It’s still a terrible provider though.
Charging hubs are coming to motorways now they’re getting more popular. For the moment the best charging locations for non-Tesla are a few minutes away from the motorway but that’ll change very quickly. This has pros and cons.
Tesla’s are very good at telling you availability of upcoming chargers so it’s easy to avoid full ones. There’s also the advantage of being able to use any CCS rapid in addition to the super chargers.
Their app and my bill says differently. Try it.