doesn't that use additional mains electricity which then needs to be incorporated into the total, & isn't it cheaper to use the overnight electricity, already stored in the battery.
... or, it's completely autonomous battery pre-warming.
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... or, it's completely autonomous battery pre-warming.
Yep all true.
I’m currently on a flat 12.5p kWh until March, so it makes no cost difference with the time I charge the car.
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Definitely worth looking at variable rates with an EV. You should be able to consistently charge at under 5p/kWh with a few tariffs. Octopus Agile is free for 2 hours tomorrow morning, for example.
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EDF (8p/kWh) and Scottish power are doing decent EV tariffs now too - not as cheap but a much larger window compared to Octopus Go Ideal if you aren’t sure about committing to the cost of a home charger just yet/commute is no longer an event.
Had a good look around a Polestar at Goodwood last year and a very decent car - a little tight in the rear though but nicely appointed interior.
Had a good look around a Polestar at Goodwood last year and a very decent car - a little tight in the rear though but nicely appointed interior.
It's higher, but not a huge difference, my wife is pregnant with only 4 weeks to go and she is finding it a lot easier to get in and out of compared to the 5 series
It’s purely for environmental reasons. BMW and Mercedes have no real interest in the pollution we create, and it’s easy to argue that a private company shouldn’t care. The only reason we have DPFs, PPFs, EGRs and catalytic converters is legislation.
It’s a bit like the power generation industry. Coal is a fantastic energy source- high energy density, commonplace, relatively cheap- we were pretty much self sufficient in energy too when we used to mine it in this country. Unfortunately we’re not in the 1920s or 1960s any more, and greater awareness of the damage from the byproducts of the combustion process even after scrubbing processes and the like has forced us to move on and look elsewhere.
It’s not all down to economics and market forces, unfortunately. But setting tough goals will force the market to adapt, which it will.
(despite covid home working, & supposed rural migration)) the economic impact of congestion in cities, would I think be an equally big contributor, as pollution, to promote legislation.
London they'll be imposing a congestion charge for all vehicles post 2025, if I had to pay for my ICE £11.50 / day, to get into Cambridge I'd revise my transport, or, moreover,
work from home more, rather than (continuing) wasting time in queues;
all, similar to my current attitude of online purchases, high street visits.
London they'll be imposing a congestion charge for all vehicles post 2025, if I had to pay for my ICE £11.50 / day, to get into Cambridge I'd revise my transport, or, moreover,
work from home more, rather than (continuing) wasting time in queues;
all, similar to my current attitude of online purchases, high street visits.
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And given we are one small country and the only one going down this route we are what, massively restricting people's choices to make a point to the rest of the world?
Nobody is going to stop making petrol cars just because the UK makes it illegal to buy them.
Climate change legislation is being introduced all over the world.
Of course, the other option is to point at China and say "we aren't changing until they do!"
It's got to start somewhere and the developed Nations should be setting the example.
Yep there are cheaper Tariffs out there, but it's not as simple as looking at the low 4 hour overnight rate. The daily standing charge and peak unit rate also need to be factored into the overall cost of all household electricity usage.
People who are driving lots of EV miles and charging every night can see larger benefits from these EV tariffs than myself. I'm currently charging once a week but I imagine when I need to go back in the office (not likely until Spring next year) and covering more miles then these Tariffs will become useful for me
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Lots of people still die early in this country due to localised pollution, it's not just a big picture problem.
We've had 120 years of ICE cars you can choose to buy which won't all suddenly disappear, you're more than welcome to have one of those but it does make a lot of sense for everything new to be zero emissions for just so many reasons.
Lots of countries already have plans / targets to phase out the sale of petrol & diesel cars. Some are all cars, not just new car sales.
Norway - 2025
India, China, Slovenia, Austria, Israel, Netherlands, Ireland, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Iceland - 2030
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People need to stop underestimating China in these sort of discussions.
I’m somewhat amazed Fox thinks we are the “only” country going down this route!?
I’m somewhat amazed Fox thinks we are the “only” country going down this route!?
I’d imagine most of Europe will be making the change broadly in step. The rest of the advanced economies won’t be far behind save for perhaps America, who like dragging their feet on anything remotely progressive.
Even if the date is pushed back which may yet happen, or get out clauses are introduced, it’s inevitable that this change is going to happen. We might aswell lead the charge rather than be several lines back.
You think these sort of announcements are limited to just the UK?
China is way ahead of us too in this regard, almost all of the words electric buses are operating in China for example.
Shenzhen’s bus network is entirely electric (over 6000 buses). London had about 250 IIRC and was the biggest fleet in Europe. I’d say that’s pretty embarrassing for Europe.
same goes for their cars, very few new cars and bikes in China are ICE powered due to the way they tax and incentivise vehicles.
Shenzhen’s bus network is entirely electric (over 6000 buses). London had about 250 IIRC and was the biggest fleet in Europe. I’d say that’s pretty embarrassing for Europe.
same goes for their cars, very few new cars and bikes in China are ICE powered due to the way they tax and incentivise vehicles.
Which other major European economy has announced a ban as early as 2030?
If the rest of Europe was on this timescale we still wouldn't need it as where do all our cars come from generally? Oh the European market...
The idea we think we can shape the European car market let alone the global one is hilarious. We're lucky they still cater to our steering wheel being on the wrong side.
We buy the cars the rest of Europe wants, we don't generally have our own bespoke ranges.
As already stated above, Germany is aiming for 2030. I say aiming for as I don’t think it’s enshrined in law, a bit like this U.K. announcement.
Given they are the biggest economy in Europe and have a huge car industry, I’d say they are fairly influential in this regard.
Given they are the biggest economy in Europe and have a huge car industry, I’d say they are fairly influential in this regard.
I think you may be missing the point of the announcement. Your earlier post regarding the market taking care of this itself ignores the human aspect of this and how hard it is for many people to change (there might be good example of that rather close to home...). Sometimes a prod in the right direction is more than a little useful in helping to change perception. "Oh, so the government is going to ban sales of non-plugin hybrids by 2030? I'd best start looking at this EV stuff sooner or later", for example.
I dont think this announcement is about changing what cars can be bought in every single European country. I dont think anyone is claiming that, are they? (Either way, the UK is the second largest market in Europe and thus quite influential. It's particularly important to the big German brands. The UK definitely has a say in the general product offer. Not being able to sell certain engines in the second largest market would certainly affect the economics of developing and manufacturing those engines).
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The Polestar website has a calculator which shows the impact of the following variables on the P2 range:
* Highway, -15c, AC on and 20" wheels
Interesting
- Driving : Motorway is worst, city is best. There is a 62 mile impact from all motorway to all city.
- Temperature : Going from 25c down to 5c reduces range by 20 miles
- Air Conditioning : Having this on reduces range by 6 miles
- Wheel Size : Selecting 20" wheels over the standard 19" reduces range by 25miles
* Highway, -15c, AC on and 20" wheels
Interesting
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