I thought these poor carbon break even estimates were not based on uk ability to provide green electricity, where break-even is much sooner, same applies to VW
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I thought these poor carbon break even estimates were not based on uk ability to provide green electricity, where break-even is much sooner, same applies to VW
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yeah diesel has the problem of actual pollution. The fact the article is even talking about carbon emissions show how hoodwinked the Gordon Brown incentives were.
This lifecycle stuff all gets a bit tedious. What’s the carbon emissions for the energy required to power the pumps that shove crude oil through the sea floor piping etc etc. Cliche, clarksonism, deja vu.
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What are the emissions from petrol then? Water?
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Meant combustion compared to electric, or in the context of when I’m replying to a post suggesting diesel is the caring for environment. It’s pointless answering your rhetorical question anymore than that, nor do you have much to bring to the discussion.
Just these lifecycle ‘analysis’ numbers work on the basis fuel comes from milking unicorns.
Just these lifecycle ‘analysis’ numbers work on the basis fuel comes from milking unicorns.
It’s all nonsense anyway. The latest diesels actually emit cleaner air than they drive through in most big cities.
But someone has decided that we’re not to drive them anymore and now we’ve all got to drive electric cars. So stop trying to rationalise it and just enjoy the tax breaks. While they last.
But someone has decided that we’re not to drive them anymore and now we’ve all got to drive electric cars. So stop trying to rationalise it and just enjoy the tax breaks. While they last.
Production break even drops to 30k miles when the charging energy is provided from wind.
As has been mentioned though; fuel isn’t coming from thin air.
Twitter thread on the same subject: https://twitter.com/AukeHoekstra/status/1332464525602410498?s=20
So the ‘study’ as I guessed was utter nonsense, shame a few million will have read the title not thought to question it and believed it at face value...
And yay for ‘journalists’ who don’t actually have a clue what they are supposedly ‘informing people’ about...
Why are you surprised that people bend the truth or flat out lie when it suits them? Surely life should tell you that? One of the members on here has a signature that has a quote saying you can’t trust anything you read on the internet. Attributed to Abraham Lincoln. And that just about sums it up. “Facts” are very often twisted and opinions presented as facts but it’s very often not what it seems. The people who regularly disappoint me are the BBC because they’re paid to be correct and impartial but every time Roger Harrabin appears on the radio you can just tell the agenda he’s pushing. And it’s not impartial.
Indeed. I couldn’t ever envisage spending £750 of my own money on something I wasn’t happy with, let alone £75000. The discounts on these things is genuinely staggering at the moment. But it would be a very long-term purchase so it has to fit me. And I’m old and fat so most of these cars don’t fit me at all!
And I do think it has investment potential. There are less than 2200 in the UK at the moment, and they’re not registering many more so these are rare cars in RHD. They’re usable and from what your review says, comfortable. And that will always sell when it looks good.
Look at the people creaming themselves over the ‘limited run’ of 25000 (worldwide) Toyota Yaris GR. sure, it’s more affordable, but as a car to keep for the next 25 years, I’ll always look back at the i8 whereas the Yaris looks great because form follows function and they’ve made a dedicated car.
I’m not sure why you got the impression I was surprised, it was more a general comment on the state of the media in most of the western world. You can anticipate right/left political bias from certain outlets, that much is a given. But banning ICE vehicles isn’t a really right/left issue in this country and I don’t see labours ICE ban plan being any different if they were in power, it’s only the greens that would sack them off before 2025. In reality, I don’t think stakeholders would be ready for it in 2030 let alone 2025.
That only really leaves two options, they were in on it or they are incompetent (or both).
I completely agree with you on the i8, it’s a modern car that has the potential if you can keep all the electronics running.
The i8 is really low volume, looks great, was relatively unattainable for most people. All the hallmarks of having potential over a long period of time. People tend to collect cars which look great and are rare, the i8 ticks both of those boxes. People don’t tend to worry about the driving experience. Most classics handle pretty terribly by modern standards, even high end cars and your not going to be ragging them round for obvious reasons.
So it turns out an Aston Martin Director was behind the nonsense about electric cars taking 50,000 miles to beat ICE emissions.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/asto...J21pzQyxyLUBUwUx0Mo3EAUkEwLeRlnUedQw0&irgwc=1
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/asto...J21pzQyxyLUBUwUx0Mo3EAUkEwLeRlnUedQw0&irgwc=1
What would he know about cars anyway?
He knows Aston Martin had shelved their EV plans only for the government bring forward the ban on the sale of ICE only cars.
They'll be gone soon, taking all their investors money with them. In the end some Chinese company will buy the name and use it to produce cars in China that then get imported here.
Hopefully not. They’re now obviously part of the Strulovich aka Stroll empire so they’re well funded and they have access to Mercedes Benz high end power trains. They’ll be just fine making either PHEVs or BEVs and the brand is extremely strong.
The information contained in that article link isn't accurate either.
WLTP data was used for both cars : the XC40 ICE and the Polestar 2. So if the real world estimate was under-estimated by a wide margin, then it would be for both cars.
The carbon footprint includes emissions from upstream supplier activities, manufacturing and logistics, use phase of the vehicle and the end-of-life phase.
It did account for improvements in wind generation - see the last bar in this graph, showing charging from all wind power generation.
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I highly doubt it. Any data backing this up?
not disagreeing - so the answer, from your graph appears circa ~33
I'll save the linked in guys rant/novel for the next lockdown
I'd thought the 'air being cleaner than input air out of a latest diesel' was indeed true, if you ignore the co2/co
Just download your local city air pollution figures and if they're higher than the emissions from a legal diesel then the diesel is emitting cleaner air than it's breathing in. On high pollution days in most cities the EU6 diesel legal emissions limits are under the air quality readings.
It's a very easy statement to back up. The combined legal maximum PM2.5 and PM10 particulate emissions from an EU6 diesel is 5ppm. The limit for an air quality index of 1 is 0-16ppm of PM2.5 and 0-16ppm of PM10 particles. So if all the diesels in the UK were EU6 they would only ever have Air Quality 1 days. The number are similar for NOx although admittedly they would give rise to Air quality 2 days. Right now in London the PM2.5 is 46, the PM10 is 15. So an EU6 diesel is breathing in higher levels of particulates than it's emitting.
The challenge isn't modern diesels its the EU4 and EU3 diesels that are the big particulate and NOx emitters. That's why where cities have clean air zones they only ban or surcharge the older cars. And sadly there are still lots of older vehicles running around. I saw a bus in Manchester last week that was literally spewing out black smoke. And yet, I'm sure it's legal for the time it was built/registered in the UK.
And vehicle emissions aren't the worst issue - people burning wood and poor quality coal are a bigger issue. In some European countries people burn their rubbish to save a bit of fuel and local waste taxes and it's literally killing them.