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Wow, Nvidia have banned Hardware Unboxed from receiving review samples...

Because no one has given a concrete reason for me to change my mind.
Its my opinion so it matters to me. If a company gives a reviewer a product for free to review and show all its capabilities but the reviewer just picks raster performance and ignores the other features claiming that no one is interested in them then yea i will stick to my opinion.
If reviewer buys the hardware with their own hard earned then they can do whatever they like in the review and not cry afterwards that they dont get any more freebees.


They didn't ignore the ray tracing performance it had its own separate video....There's really no point in you sticking your oar in when you have no clue what you're talking about.
 
Because no one has given a concrete reason for me to change my mind.
Its my opinion so it matters to me. If a company gives a reviewer a product for free to review and show all its capabilities but the reviewer just picks raster performance and ignores the other features claiming that no one is interested in them then yea i will stick to my opinion.
If reviewer buys the hardware with their own hard earned then they can do whatever they like in the review and not cry afterwards that they dont get any more freebees.

What is this, spoon feeding an argument into your brain time?

If you're deciding you want to weigh in you could have the decency to read up on it rather than maliciously guessing guided by your existing bias.

You want someone to explain to you what's going on but you've already decided you know what's going on.

That's ridiculously obnoxious.
 
That doesnt change the basic logic of my argument (i registered it as 27% in a hurry)
23% gamers are interested in RT performance or
77% not interested in RT performance
whats your interpretation.. how would you approach your review content?

the hypothesis still remains the same

Edit:
btw that data further strengthens my argument, i had no idea that HU had conducted that poll :)
I wasn't talking about the exact percentages. Just because people consider raster to be more important in their buying decision doesn't automatically mean that those same people are not interested in RT.

To answer your question. Based on the HWUB poll, I would focus mainly on what people are basing their purchasing decision on, which in this instance is Raster.
 
yes.. i will list down few logical fallacies:

Fallacy 1
  • you are okay with linus talking about nvidia's sales dependency
  • but then you say that he neednt mention his own earnings because everyone with "half a brain" knows about it
Fallacy 2
"The whole point of stating that fact was to demonstrate the difference between "availability and cost" as you put it,
to make it absolutely clear that reviewers need review samples because of availability and not because of cost."

Check the italics..he didnt mention anything about reviewers needing review samples.. he has been pretty much clear about why he does reviews
"to inform the manufacturers consumer base about the product and thus help them maximise sales".. because the rest can be omitted under "law of half brains".

Add up the above fallacies and check if your arguments are still coherent.

I have also looked at the video and blessed with enough intuition to clearly discern his message, paraphrased below. sorry i dont have "half a brain", so this is the full brains version
"I am doing these reviews for the benefit of nvidia and its consumers as a good samaritan. I have no stake whatsoever in this"
with an additional threat:
"if you dont give me those cards i can still buy them (and then god save you)"
followed by an appeal
"internet peasants help me, your benevolent lord, wage a battle on the evil corporation"
internet peasants:
"Linus is a good samaritan with no vested interest and look how emotionally charged he is, we should be helping him"

Man, seriously.

I'd call this a strawman argument except that it's so obtuse it barely even makes sense.

Since we clearly mutually consider each other a fool, we should probably stop responding to each other now. At least I will. You can do as you please.
 
Interesting. Ok list the relevant links to the videos which i should go through. Will see what all this is about

Yeah i'll get right on that.


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Man, seriously.

I'd call this a strawman argument except that it's so obtuse it barely even makes sense.

Since we clearly mutually consider each other a fool, we should probably stop responding to each other now. At least I will. You can do as you please.

Sorry i didnt mean to get personal (i dont see how that post implies that either), but i dont consider you a fool

I wasn't talking about the exact percentages. Just because people consider raster to be more important in their buying decision doesn't automatically mean that those same people are not interested in RT.

To answer your question. Based on the HWUB poll, I would focus mainly on what people are basing their purchasing decision on, which in this instance is Raster.

I think it becomes a binary option (it talks about buying decision so 77% of those taking the poll will buy a GPU if it has a higher raster performance in the price range, irrespective of RT performance as its lower priority for them, similarly 23% will buy the faster RT GPU irrespective of raster performance).

There are few more angles that i would have considered:
  • whats the conditional probability of buying a GPU in next six months in each segment
  • whats the conditional probability of buying a nvidia product in next 6 months in each segment
  • whats the conditional probability of buying a amd product in next 6 months in each segment
 
That doesnt change the basic logic of my argument (i registered it as 27% in a hurry)
23% gamers are interested in RT performance or
77% not interested in RT performance
whats your interpretation.. how would you approach your review content?

the hypothesis still remains the same

Edit:
btw that data further strengthens my argument, i had no idea that HU had conducted that poll :)

Nope, that's where you are wrong. 23% of gamers who game AND build PCs (I mean they are watching a hardware channel) care about RT.

What is the percentage of gamers who build their own systems? Tiny. What is the percentage of people who game AND build their own PCs AND can afford a GPU that lets them turn RT on? Almost non-existent.

So to summarize, RT is **** right now, so very few people base their purchasing decisions on it.
 
This what im getting from the reviews just like you have said its your opinion and yet you phrase it as if your speaking for all consumers of the products out there when saying what iv quoted.
I game but not a lot but to me "towing capability" is something im interested in. Just because a review says nobody wants it doesnt actually mean hes speaking for me.

Of course its my opinion. Let me know when your opinion matches up then mav with a limited set of games usong RT. How long can people play 1 or 2 games with RT to justify a purchase? Right now there isn't a lot for your F150 to tow.
 
Of course its my opinion. Let me know when your opinion matches up then mav with a limited set of games usong RT. How long can people play 1 or 2 games with RT to justify a purchase? Right now there isn't a lot for your F150 to tow.

Again 1 or 2 games is not 0. As long as something exists that can use the tech then its a feature worth mentioning and not just being swept under the rug
 
There was a twitter straw poll that approx 30% of gamers are interested in RT
Now this can also be interpreted as 70% of gamers are not interested
How would you have interpreted this?

The poll wasn't "interested", it was "sway your purchase right now".

Am i interested in RT? Heck yes.
Will it sway my decision on a card? Maybe, but unlikely. If I am buying a card less than the 3080 then it's a solid "hell no!", Because the RT perf isn't even there to make it worthwhile even in the games that use it.
 
Again 1 or 2 games is not 0. As long as something exists that can use the tech then its a feature worth mentioning and not just being swept under the rug

They did mention it, and they did and have convered it at hardware unboxed, so what exactly is your point here?

Based on your own logic, you would buy an overbloated pickup for that one time a year you tow a boat, but almost all your driving is city driving. Your argument is self destructing.
 
As an example reviewers said amd 8 core and up cpus are not good since most software doesnt use all the threads. It is a true statement since most software doesnt use all the threads but there are apps out there that will even if its just a small handful. If amd decided to stop sending cpus to reviews who dont use software in the review that uses all the abilities of the cpu then id agree with amd.
 
They did mention it, and they did and have convered it at hardware unboxed, so what exactly is your point here?

Based on your own logic, you would buy an overbloated pickup for that one time a year you tow a boat, but almost all your driving is city driving. Your argument is self destructing.

See this is exactly what im on about here. your basing this in your own opinion and comparing the product to your own use and have now stated that
" you would buy an overbloated pickup for that one time a year you tow a boat"
How have you made the decision for me that i only tow once a year? I could be that one guy that tows every day. so why go on the assumption id only do it once a year?
You have proven my point in all this. Your trying just like the reviewers to say everyone is doing things the way you do. But in reality thats not true, you dont speak for everyone and especially not for me.
 
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