What the actual hell is going on...

[Narj]

Yeah I'm just upgrading a few peripherals rather than anything expensive. Not paying insane prices and I'm quite happy to wait a year to play Cyberpunk. I waited a year to play Deus Ex:HR and Witcher 3 before upgrading in each case so it's not an alien concept to me.

 

[Angilion]

Yeah I'm just upgrading a few peripherals rather than anything expensive. Not paying insane prices and I'm quite happy to wait a year to play Cyberpunk. I waited a year to play Deus Ex:HR and Witcher 3 before upgrading in each case so it's not an alien concept to me.

It's usually better to wait a while for a game after release regardless of what hardware you have. It's now the norm for the release version of the game to be a buggy, unfinished, undertested mess. Cyberpunk 2077 being the latest notorious example of that. I don't fancy paying to be a beta tester at all, but even less so when the publisher is dishonest about it.

It's not a solely a recent thing. I pre-ordered Test Drive Unlimited 2, back in 2011. The release version was explictly labelled as version 0.6.2, i.e. not even very close to being finished. It was so buggy that it was literally unplayable for the first week or two as it was unable to connect to the server. It only became good after some patches.

It is a recent thing for it to be the norm, though. Maybe inevitable as games become more complex and the development costs become horrifying, but it's a crap deal for consumers. I can understand where the publishers are coming from - "we've spent £50M on this game and we get nothing until it ships - it must ship today!" - but it's a crap deal for consumers.

As for hardware, no. Not at the current prices. Not even if anything was in stock. The price/performance ratio for gaming on PC is just too much worse than for gaming on consoles at the moment and many new games are shoddily done console ports anyway. If console gaming supported a mouse and keyboard (and I mean actually supports them, not just that the console itself theoretically supports them to some extent), I'd move. The new consoles are adequate for gaming.

 

[Goksly]

OP made me smile. Could almost picture them holding back the tears as they typed stay strong #blackarmband

 

[pp111]

Every thing and i mean every thing, everywhere is sold out.

WTF there no 3000 cpu's, no 5000 cpu's
No 5000 GPU's, NO 6000 GPU's
NO GTX 3000 GPU's


What the hell is really going on. the new stuff always sells out that normal, but when the last gen and the one before is also all sold out EVERWHERE... WTF is going on...

i have genuinely just seen hardwear i own selling for more used then i paid new a year or so ago.

I mean a god dam GTX 950 just sold for £100 WTF.... Ryzen 1700's going for £150 the world as gone mad

No 850W power supplies, no cases. Maybe we are practicing for Brexit.

 

[arc@css]

If console gaming supported a mouse and keyboard (and I mean actually supports them, not just that the console itself theoretically supports them to some extent), I'd move. The new consoles are adequate for gaming.

I'd certainly be more tempted to get one if that was the case.

 

[V F]

I'm really glad I didn't listen to those that said "wait for black Friday deals" also I pulled the trigger on a full build once the prices of the new AMD CPUs were announced. It was obvious demand was going to be ridiculous. Just wait until Jan 1st if we have a no deal Brexit. Getting stuff through the ports is going to be a disaster.

That was the reason I put my order in before Black Friday. All the stuff is sitting in the lounge waiting to be built for Christmas.

Even the Lian-Li 011 Dynamic was sold out fast.

As someone who is trying to build a new PC (old one dates from 2012) I can see that currently there are:

No PSUs.
No SSDs.
No CPUs.
No GPUs.
No monitors.

It's a great time to build a new PC, that I can tell you

The stuff there is stock of is wildly over RRP or just massively more expensive than the turn of the year.

A few weeks ago I was struggling to find 750w Gold EVGA power supplies so snagged a 650w. Before that back in August 750w was easy to obtain for EVGA.

No 850W power supplies, no cases. Maybe we are practicing for Brexit.

I was looking there just now, not many or hardly any 1000w+ EVGA power supplies available. Even went to a few other stores to look. It was other brands, then went onto EVGA themselves. Out of stock for the Platinum 1000+.

Look at all the yellow out of stock. https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10&family=Power+Supplies

 

[FoxEye]

A few weeks ago I was struggling to find 750w Gold EVGA power supplies so snagged a 650w. Before that back in August 750w was easy to obtain for EVGA.

I've got a pre-order in for a Seasonic Focus PX 850. I'm a huge Seasonic fanboy and won't buy anything that isn't at least Seasonic OEM

But stock isn't ETA'd until late Jan.

 

[Angilion]

I'd certainly be more tempted to get one if that was the case.

What makes it irritating to me is that there are absolutely no technical restrictions. Modern consoles are PCs. There are no practical reasons why mouse and keyboard support doesn't exist for them. It's purely a choice. Why shouldn't customers be allowed a choice? Granted, it involves a little more work by game developers to implement support for different input devices. But given the cost of developing and advertising games nowadays that's trivial in comparison.

 

[dacads]

Yeah I'm just upgrading a few peripherals rather than anything expensive. Not paying insane prices and I'm quite happy to wait a year to play Cyberpunk. I waited a year to play Deus Ex:HR and Witcher 3 before upgrading in each case so it's not an alien concept to me.

Yeah I don't jump on the new bandwagon either

Upgraded my graphics card a few years ago although haven't made the most of if

Still rocking a 1080p monitor so should be good for a couple more years

 

[Psycho Sonny]

What makes it irritating to me is that there are absolutely no technical restrictions. Modern consoles are PCs. There are no practical reasons why mouse and keyboard support doesn't exist for them. It's purely a choice. Why shouldn't customers be allowed a choice? Granted, it involves a little more work by game developers to implement support for different input devices. But given the cost of developing and advertising games nowadays that's trivial in comparison.

Because mouse and keyboard give a significant advantage and remove the level playing field offered by consoles.

It's not hard to use a controller.

They could implement a seperate lobby and matchmaking system for mouse and keyboard users but again there is no real need for it. The I can't use a controller brigade are a niche market.

 

[Angilion]

Because mouse and keyboard give a significant advantage and remove the level playing field offered by consoles.

It's not hard to use a controller.

They could implement a seperate lobby and matchmaking system for mouse and keyboard users but again there is no real need for it. The I can't use a controller brigade are a niche market.

It is hard to use a controller because they're inherently bad for human health. The design is essentially flawed. You can usually get away with it when you're young and your hands can tolerate the punishment. You might be able to get away with it when you're older if you don't play much and you're lucky. Maybe.

You acknowledge that mouse and keyboard is a superior input system. You also acknowledge that it would be possible to restrict online play to a level playing field by not allowing people using a superior input system to compete against people using an inferior input system. So even with your position it's still a case of, as I said before:

What makes it irritating to me is that there are absolutely no technical restrictions. Modern consoles are PCs. There are no practical reasons why mouse and keyboard support doesn't exist for them. It's purely a choice. Why shouldn't customers be allowed a choice? Granted, it involves a little more work by game developers to implement support for different input devices. But given the cost of developing and advertising games nowadays that's trivial in comparison.

Then, of course, there's the case of games that are not online competitions between players.

It might not be necessary, but it would be beneficial.

As an aside regarding superior and inferior input devices, do online racing games forbid people using wheels and pedals from competing against people using controllers? For racing games, wheel and pedals "give(s) a significant advantage" and "remove(s) the level playing field".

 

[pp111]

That was the reason I put my order in before Black Friday. All the stuff is sitting in the lounge waiting to be built for Christmas.

Even the Lian-Li 011 Dynamic was sold out fast.



A few weeks ago I was struggling to find 750w Gold EVGA power supplies so snagged a 650w. Before that back in August 750w was easy to obtain for EVGA.



I was looking there just now, not many or hardly any 1000w+ EVGA power supplies available. Even went to a few other stores to look. It was other brands, then went onto EVGA themselves. Out of stock for the Platinum 1000+.

Look at all the yellow out of stock. https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10&family=Power+Supplies

Try Corsair online. Last time I looked they had some at their online shop. they come from Amsterdam on 24Hr delivery.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

It is hard to use a controller because they're inherently bad for human health. The design is essentially flawed. You can usually get away with it when you're young and your hands can tolerate the punishment. You might be able to get away with it when you're older if you don't play much and you're lucky. Maybe.

You acknowledge that mouse and keyboard is a superior input system. You also acknowledge that it would be possible to restrict online play to a level playing field by not allowing people using a superior input system to compete against people using an inferior input system. So even with your position it's still a case of, as I said before:



Then, of course, there's the case of games that are not online competitions between players.

It might not be necessary, but it would be beneficial.

As an aside regarding superior and inferior input devices, do online racing games forbid people using wheels and pedals from competing against people using controllers? For racing games, wheel and pedals "give(s) a significant advantage" and "remove(s) the level playing field".

I'd argue controllers are better than steering wheels and pedals tbh.

I have far better control with the analogue stick and buttons.

I've never heard of a controller being bad for old people does that mean all the old folk on their mobile phones are all in pain and having issues using something small in their hands?

I think that's the first time ever I've heard that one.

My opinion is consoles are controller only and should be for the level playing field.

If you want mouse and keyboard then buy a gaming pc. Simple as that. Can't afford a gaming pc then maybe you should lower your priorities and get a 1080p monitor and a 1650 super for £110 off the mm.

I don't see why mouse and keyboard users can't just buy and use a pc.

 

[V F]

Because mouse and keyboard give a significant advantage and remove the level playing field offered by consoles.

It's not hard to use a controller.

They could implement a seperate lobby and matchmaking system for mouse and keyboard users but again there is no real need for it. The I can't use a controller brigade are a niche market.

The majority of Division players on console envy the PC players. Console players can hardly snipe. The more you zoom in the more twitchy it becomes. Console players talk so much of recoil versus PC with mouse control.

Console players invest so much in weapon handling because of lack of stick control and recoil. Nor can they turn around fast.

Stick control is either super fast or slow. There aint no muscle memory like wrist and arm movement.

 

[Nevakonaza]

i was th

Every thing and i mean every thing, everywhere is sold out.
What the hell is really going on

I was thinking this a few days ago, Obviously with pandemic and the factories in china been shut temporary a while ago when it all kicked off you'd expect a pause on manufacturing and supplies to drain quickly but I've never seen anything like this now,it doesn't seem to be recovering very well and a part of me thinks this is actually intentional to keep prices higher maybe.

For example PS5s selling for £815 on a well known used hardware store..they're loving it.

Although il admit,at the start of the pandemic and during lockdown I've never sold so much stuff in my life,the stuff that usually would be for sale ages with little attention or lowball offers sold within days and got a decent amount,I cleared out what stuff I had lying around unused and easily made £400 ish quid.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I guess a lot of you haven’t been playing games recently, more and more of them have cross platform multiplayer.

Been playing the new cod recently with PS, Xbox and PC players in the same game. It’s fine.

 

[V F]

Pfft, COD. Milk franchise.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Pfft, COD. Milk franchise.

It’s just one game... the point stands, more and more games are running cross platform multiplayer and it really isn’t an issue. controller players get a bit of aim assist, pc players don’t need it.

 

[MaXxBoulton]

I guess a lot of you haven’t been playing games recently, more and more of them have cross platform multiplayer.
Been playing the new cod recently with PS, Xbox and PC players in the same game. It’s fine.

cod cross platform? only the last 2 years

 

[Psycho Sonny]

The majority of Division players on console envy the PC players. Console players can hardly snipe. The more you zoom in the more twitchy it becomes. Console players talk so much of recoil versus PC with mouse control.

Console players invest so much in weapon handling because of lack of stick control and recoil. Nor can they turn around fast.

Stick control is either super fast or slow. There aint no muscle memory like wrist and arm movement.

None of that matters because like I said before it's a level playing field.

I've already stated mouse and keyboard is superior for FPS games certainly.

For driving games I prefer a controller in fact it's impossible to flya helicopter in GTA v without a controller to the point I had to go and buy a controller for use on my pc.

I use both and I know what all the pros and cons are. There is a valid reason behind not allowing their use on consoles and I support it. I also have suggested a valid way for them to support it and it be fair by having seperate matchmaking. However it's not something they are interested in doing currently anyway by the looks of it. Maybe in time.