In a few mins you will have a chance to grab a 6800 or 3060Ti

[Miganto]

I don't understand how you think that pricing people out of the market is a good thing, but perhaps you're one of those folks who has more money than common sense?

That isn't happening though - people are pricing YOU out the of the market. They are happy to pay stupid money for the graphics cards, so that is the ok price to sell them at.

I personally agree with you on the prices and am waiting for it to settle, but that won't happen until other people who value the cards higher stop buying them. They aren't at fault for doing so, they value it higher than I do, neither of us can complain at someone else for being willing to pay more than us on something we want.

 

[henson0115]

How much is vat likely to go up by honestly? 5 - 15% tops? Why do you think it's going up by so much only the rich can afford pc's??

vat at 35% on top of tax at 20%, would likely be to much and pc gaming would be untenable for many people at this price.
but along as you can afford yours... sod the people that cant?

 

[Janer64]

You realize you're going to have pay import tax come January. Mark my words. Doesn't Ireland have any online retailers?

When Uk was part of the EU it was the most expensive country in it except for....yep you guessed it lil ole Ireland, not only are we more expensive but we're stuck in the dark ages referring most things, our cheapest place is a site called komplett, look over that site and you will understand why I order from the UK.

Referring import duty and Irish VAT...ouch

 

[Skyboy]

When Uk was part of the EU it was the most expensive country in it except for....yep you guessed it lil ole Ireland, not only are we more expensive but we're stuck in the dark ages referring most things, our cheapest place is a site called komplett, look over that site and you will understand why I order from the UK.

Referring import duty and Irish VAT...ouch

I'm also Irish and I think the best option available to us in the new year will be German companies. There are language issues and they do put their German customers first but it may be the only option if I want to buy items at close to RRP.

 

[Janer64]

I'm also Irish and I think the best option available to us in the new year will be German companies. There are language issues and they do put their German customers first but it may be the only option if I want to buy items at close to RRP.

I'm going tbh I completely forgot about this and my pc in total was 3300 euros, I'm going to get hammered.
But it's my dream pc so I will have to bite the bullet and I've just said that to the girlfriend in future we'll be using amazon.de.

 

[Gerard]

I'm also Irish and I think the best option available to us in the new year will be German companies. There are language issues and they do put their German customers first but it may be the only option if I want to buy items at close to RRP.

Lol, not a chance. Some of the German companies are piling on even more than the UK ones. Caseking for example had 3090s at £2k sterling.

 

[Skyboy]

Lol, not a chance. Some of the German companies are piling on even more than the UK ones. Caseking for example had 3090s at £2k sterling.

I'm not talking about the current climate. When things settle down and there is stock, German retailers will probably be the best option from Irish customers looking for prices that are close to RRP.

 

[Miganto]

vat at 35% on top of tax at 20%, would likely be to much and pc gaming would be untenable for many people at this price.
but along as you can afford yours... sod the people that cant?

what tax?
35% vat is a random number but still only 15% above now, so that's 15% higher prices - considering how every man and his dog is buying components atm, clearly it's within the reach of a lot of people.

But you're seriously thinking the UK is going to add 15% vat (up to 35%) and also add on 20% tax, making everything 37% or so more expensive from Jan 1st??

Seriously?

 

[Miganto]

Hate to break it to you but many modern-day economists consider the current state of our capitalist society to be not only extremely inefficient, but also completely unsustainable. Many are calling for limits to profiteering, and and end to the "greed is good" mantra. Because, funnily enough, when only a few people benefit and everyone else gets the short end of the stick, society as a whole starts to stop functioning properly.

Greed is not good, all the time, to the maximum extent you can get away with. The worst excesses of human nature need to be kept in check for the benefit of society as a whole.

Also, scalpers add nothing of value. They don't aid distribution, they don't generate any tax revenue, and they void the warranty of anyone who buys from them. Scalpers are parasites and should not be considered a great triumph of our amazing capitalist society.

I completely agree for items of necessity (food, shelter, water etc), of limited un-replenishable stock, where you have no other option but to die or pay the price, but we're talking about computer components - a luxury, a luxury that is being replenished shortly, where the biggest issue is that people aren't willing to wait a week or a month to get the this luxury. That isn't 'scalping', that's good business sense. People are ok to pay the prices so it's a good price to sell it at. I think it's a ridiculous price so i'm waiting.

 

[henson0115]

what tax?
35% vat is a random number but still only 15% above now, so that's 15% higher prices - considering how every man and his dog is buying components atm, clearly it's within the reach of a lot of people.

But you're seriously thinking the UK is going to add 15% vat (up to 35%) and also add on 20% tax, making everything 37% or so more expensive from Jan 1st??

Seriously?

we are taxed for working too and taxed for buying even 5% increase will be too much for a lot of people. that's not what i said is it?, i used your own values and included tax at work too..

 

[Miganto]

we are taxed for working too and taxed for buying even 5% increase will be too much for a lot of people. that's not what i said is it?, i used your own values and included tax at work too..

But we're already being taxed 0 / 20 / 40 %, so that's not changing.

So yah, i'm not sure how your 5% increase is pushing 'most' people out of pc buying. We can relax, phew. I really don't see how you think people are so close to being broke that 5% higher costs pushes them over the edge, yet they're also happily spending now. Doesn't add up.

 

[henson0115]

I completely agree for items of necessity (food, shelter, water etc), of limited un-replenishable stock, where you have no other option but to die or pay the price, but we're talking about computer components - a luxury, a luxury that is being replenished shortly, where the biggest issue is that people aren't willing to wait a week or a month to get the this luxury. That isn't 'scalping', that's good business sense. People are ok to pay the prices so it's a good price to sell it at. I think it's a ridiculous price so i'm waiting.

lets say i work and i buy a computer for working at home due to covid and i buy a ryzen cpu, i need a gpu yes? well atm its pretty hard to get a gpu (almost impossible actually, unless you have all day as free time), how do you suppose i work. well i should buy a 710, what if i work in anything that requires something more powerful?

 

[henson0115]

But we're already being taxed 0 / 20 / 40 %, so that's not changing.

So yah, i'm not sure how your 15% increase is pushing 'most' people out of pc buying. I can relax, phew.

you clearly have no clue about the lower class or middle class living conditions then. are you saying they shouldn't be entitled to some gaming/working pc hardware because they cant afford it anymore? which will likely happen, you do realise some middle class families choose between eating and heating and have to save some 2 years+ for a gpu?

 

[Skyboy]

vat at 35% on top of tax at 20%, would likely be to much and pc gaming would be untenable for many people at this price.
but along as you can afford yours... sod the people that cant?

This is very confusing, the VAT rate in the UK is 20%. Most computer items will not have duty applied.

Items imported to the UK that currently come from the EU will be slightly over 20% more expensive.
The UK VAT rate of 20% will be applied to the total cost of the item including shipping and insurance.

 

[henson0115]

This is very confusing, the VAT rate in the UK is 20%. Most computer items will not have duty applied.

Items imported to the UK that currently come from the EU will be slightly over 20% more expensive.
The UK VAT rate of 20% will be applied to the total cost of the item including shipping and insurance.

he said our vat is likely going up between 5-15% and we pay vat on what we buy... how is it confusing?

 

[Skyboy]

he said our vat is likely going up between 5-15% and we pay vat on what we buy... how is it confusing?

He claims that there will be a new vat charge of 35% on top of the current 20% VAT.

It's just difficult to see the UK imposing a 55% VAT rate.

 

[henson0115]

He claims that there will be a new vat charge of 35% on top of the current 20% VAT.

It's just difficult to see the UK imposing a 55% VAT rate.

no he didn't, he said vat will likely rise 5-15% on top of the 20% vat already in place, to which i said we also pay 20% tax on wages for working.
how do you think all that covid debt gets written off? aint gunna be magic thats for sure.

 

[Skyboy]

That would be income tax, he doesn't mention it.

 

[decto]

Wow so much FUD in this thread.

Games studios are not making games to only run on the fastest 1% of cards, they would quickly go bankrupt.
People can play Cyberpunk on an I3 plus RX550, not a great experience but that is an absolute potato GPU and it 'runs' the lastest AAA game while being well below the official minimum.
Not that I think Cyberpunk should be a 'next generation' benchmark given its unfinished state and apparent lack of optimisations, I mean AMD doesn't even enable SMT, such amazing QC.
We need a few 'next gen' titles to get a feel for how demanding these games will be.

Meanwhile we have predictions of crazy VAT increases and the end of PC gaming because some may not be able to max the sliders in an unfinished game.
There are a lot of gamers out there having a great time but who can't max the sliders. Heaven forbid gamers may need to step down a tier from the GPU they feel entitled to.
3070/80/90 aren't even the cards for the masses. 3050, 3060 with the smaller die is where the volumes are.

Combine a pandemic, global distribution in crisis, business having to operate 'covid safe' which costs money and hurts efficiency along side a poorly adopted GPU generation (RTX 20x0), a parallel console launch, a Bitcoin price boom and a rise in people at home able to search and it's no surprise that demand significantly exceeeds supply.

MRSP's were a lie, they were both chosen for favourable reviews, Nvidia over engineered it's coolers to hide the effects of high core power usage then AIB's can't make the same quality of card at the same cost hence the prolifferation of cards with huge coolers as a 'value add'.
MRSP also doesn't apply globally, the big compaines haven't allowed extra margin downstream for the significant additional costs of distribution, warehousing, covid safe working etc. of the world we now live in. These costs directly impact the supply chain and taxed paid so these cards were always going to be priced higher than the few MSRP loss leaders available directly from AMD or Nvidia.

If Brexit ends in a no deal there will be tariffs on some products, this will not directly translate to a VAT increases as VAT is charged on all (elegible) goods regardless of source.
There may be a gradual increase in taxation and there will be an impact of tarrifs but no Goverment will make such overt increases, it will mostly be done by stealth or aligned to a 'green' agenda.

I've said before, we are in exception times, prices will normalise once stock in back on shelves and not moving as all parties have an incentive to compete, that is likely to be late Q2 2021 unless bitcoin is at 50k by then.

Until then.... high tier GPU's are a want, not a need.... except for a very few who use them in their business.

 

[Ploddles]

lets say i work and i buy a computer for working at home due to covid and i buy a ryzen cpu, i need a gpu yes? well atm its pretty hard to get a gpu (almost impossible actually, unless you have all day as free time), how do you suppose i work. well i should buy a 710, what if i work in anything that requires something more powerful?

In that case you buy an Intel CPU with the integrated graphics instead of an AMD CPU. There are always choices you have to make. When supply increases you then buy your more powerful GPU.