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Intels XE 2020 desktop GPU hardware preview

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I`m sure I've already seen Laptops on sale with the new Intel XE - ah sorry just realised this is a resurrect thread from Oct 2019 !!!

ah right yes the Acer Swift 3 - Intel Iris XE is this the same thing ?

£1000 for a laptop with a GPU that is like a GTX 1080 ? Why does it come with a Nvidia MX350 inside too ?

I guess this is not what was talked about last year ?
 
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Intel seems confident, lays claim to having the most powerful FP32 GPU at 42 Teraflops

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Intel seems confident, lays claim to having the most powerful FP32 GPU at 42 Teraflops

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Looks like a bunch of flooring samples from B&Q :p

Can't believe Intel had the cheek to criticise AMD for 'gluing' their Ryzen CPUs together and then bring out this monstrosity.

Let's hope RDNA3 is a little more elegant than this mess. I mean, 12 chiplets to make a dual die GPU? Really!!! :rolleyes::D
 
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Something interesting buried in the DG1 news today is that the cards will be essentially locked via DRM to the OEM systems that they ship with.
The Iris Xe discrete add-in card will be paired with 9th gen (Coffee Lake-S) and 10th gen (Comet Lake-S) Intel Core desktop processors and Intel(R) B460, H410, B365, and H310C chipset-based motherboards and sold as part of pre-built systems. These motherboards require a special BIOS that supports Intel Iris Xe, so the cards won’t be compatible with other systems.
Seems rather unnecessary, but that's Intel for you. Quite a bit of disappointment elsewhere from people hoping to use them as HTPC cards due to the AV1 support.
 
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Link for those that haven't already seen it:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1518...te-xe-hpc-graphics-disclosure-ponte-vecchio/3

All I can take from it, is that it's going to be expensive. There is no way that that amount of different fabrication, interconnects, interposers etc is going to come cheap, even if the actual "chip/chiplet" fabrication is.

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Cheap, no but for enterprise it may not matter. They're already paying crazy prices to Nvidia

And even that can be interconnected for a enourmous GPU.

The GPU in this image below is 65600 Cores, with an estimate FP32 output of 162 Teraflops.


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It's difficult to know just what they are hiding, manufacturing woes of the node itself, of the chip itself, or the performance and architecture being bad by locking it only to OEM systems. It will be more clear later on if the OEM systems it comes out in are rather like the first 10nm chips Intel released, oh a laptop that doesn't come out for 5 months and is released in one market to students only in the literal low thousands of units. Then to an Intel NUC also produced in very low volume.

Either way locking it down so you can't compare it to AMD/Nvidia cards on a normal high end benchmarking system is a clear attempt to prevent performance comparisons.

If the architecture was truly amazing then they'd be screaming it from the rooftops and sending it to every reviewer out there, unlocked, fully usable in anything.

Last issue it could be is drivers, they don't really want gamers to have it while drivers are terrible in most games. Also should be pointed out this is a low end gpu and ships only with systems with an iGPU already, Which leans towards this being another release to hit claims they've made about launch dates but make it available in a system no one wants. Here pay $100 more for this system with a dGPU in it, with about the same performance as the cheaper system without it.

I guess the last possibility is that it's many or all of these things Intel is trying to hide with this move. Manufacturing issues, drivers, overall performance all being pretty bad.
 
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It's difficult to know just what they are hiding,


What makes you think they are hiding anything? GPUs aren't trivial items, and this is a new market for Intel. If they're not ready, they're not ready. DG1 isn't competing with AMD or Nvidia. That will be DG2 or even DG3. Now, if they demonstrate a working 65000 core card, that will really put the frighteners on both Nvidia and AMD.
 
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Something to consider: Intel is not suffering supply problems. If it can produce an even half-way decent gaming GPU - even RTX 3050 equivalent - then it will make a boatload of money.
 
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Something to consider: Intel is not suffering supply problems. If it can produce an even half-way decent gaming GPU - even RTX 3050 equivalent - then it will make a boatload of money.
To be fair, thats because they're selling products that the vast majority don't want on a node thats no longer being used by the majority of chip manufacturers.
 
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