Intels XE 2020 desktop GPU hardware preview

[CuriousTomCat]

This looks super sick. Hopefully they`ll be ready in time for a black Friday deal

 

[FoxEye]

If they have available product they will clean up. Both AMD and Nvidia should be very worried.

Leak says they're using TSMC 7nm so... can't see that happening.

 

[Quartz]

Leak says they're using TSMC 7nm so... can't see that happening.

If they had it already booked...

 

[mcast]

Leak says they're using TSMC 7nm so... can't see that happening.

TSMC enough said, they will have zero stock. Is there no fabs in the US?

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Leak says they're using TSMC 7nm so... can't see that happening.

It also says they might use TSMC 6nm. That fab should be very underutilised at the moment.

 

[GAC]

or they will use 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

[LWH]

TSMC enough said, they will have zero stock. Is there no fabs in the US?

Nope, on a recent Bloomberg interview their CEO said they were planning to build up the capacity but nothing exists yet.

https://youtu.be/UecckRncPCw

 

[Vince]

This is comical, does anybody really think tsmc will build extra capacity for intel?

 

[Harlequin]

If they had it already booked...

Apple then AMD are the largest 7nm customers by a lot

edit: leaks last year saying Intel using tsmc 6nm - pre paid for 180k wafers?

 

[pp111]

Imagine ending up in a world where the recommended build is an AMD system with Intel GPU.

Yes, that' pretty crazy.

 

[pp111]

I was looking at this the other day, and apparently it's aimed firmly at the most popular end of the market, so we are looking at a 3070 equivalent. My jaw fell open. I had no idea intel were aiming so high on their first release. I have plans to wait until the end of the year to buy a card, by which time the intel should be around, so I am getting more than a little interested to see the specs on this card.

 

[KompuKare]

This is comical, does anybody really think tsmc will build extra capacity for intel?

Well, TSMC are not stupid and know Intel won't be a long-term partner.
However, against that they probably will build more fabs in the US (and the EU) for a number of reasons:

1. To guard against protectionism in case another Trump comes to power.
2. In the case of the US, to gain access to lucrative defence contracts.
3. To diversify their risk to Taiwan in case PRC decides to do more than sabre rattling.
4. And Taiwan is quite resource constraint as witnessed by the recent water shortages. That probalby rules out Texas and Nevada too

But build capacity just for Intel? Doubtful.

 

[GAC]

people talking about building more fab space for intel. its a moot point as it will take a couple of years to build it and get it up and running. but tsmc is building more fab space anyways to sell to whoever they want to.

they cant just build a warehouse and poof new fab. its a tad more complicated than that.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

edit: leaks last year saying Intel using tsmc 6nm - pre paid for 180k wafers?

That's great news if it's true. That should be enough to completely flood the market with GPUs.

 

[Quartz]

edit: leaks last year saying Intel using tsmc 6nm - pre paid for 180k wafers?

How many GPUs per wafer? If we assume 100 good ones per wafer that's 18 million GPUs; at 1000 per wafer that's 180 million.

 

[VegasBaby]

It's exciting to have a third entrant in the GPU space. A bit concerning that they're using TSMC since it won't alleviate any of the chip bottlenecking but hopefully in the future Intel get their act together and can manufacture the chips at their own facilities.

In the end we the consumers win. Even if Intel can't be the fastest they can certainly compete somewhere in the stack be it the low or midrange and that'll introduce some price competition, hopefully.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Priced right that could do well ... but it’s intel ... can you see them pricing it right?

cant be priced any worse that a non existent 6700xt for £500 quid.
with no rt / dlss or stock.

lolz

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Apple then AMD for microsoft and sony, **** pc gamers are the largest 7nm customers by a lot

edit: leaks last year saying Intel using tsmc 6nm - pre paid for 180k wafers?

just thought update it a little lol

 

[KompuKare]

How many GPUs per wafer? If we assume 100 good ones per wafer that's 18 million GPUs; at 1000 per wafer that's 180 million.

Well, a 1000 is unlikely as that would imply a due size of around 55mm² which won't reach 3070 performance.
Navi 21 is around 520mm² on TSMC's 7nm (yielding about 62 good dies per wafer), while Navi 22 is around 335mm². So in terms of TSMC due sizes (completely ignoring Nvidia's stuff as it's on Samsung's 8nm), we could guess somewhere between those.
TSMC's 6nm is somewhat denser, so let's say 450mm² to reach 3070 performance.
That would be closer to 100 good dies per wafer.

 

[StephenJ]

If this is @3070 performance then it will do well , unless Intel price it like a i9 (then it will do well until the market recovers).