True but dont Sony/MS put in their sales contracts that you must sell at the price they set ? I`m sure I have read this before which is why nearly all retailers sell both consoles at the one price. Its well known for years they both sell their consoles at a loss and recoup from game sales. Retailers dont argue because if they did they would not get stock and they need the stock for visitors. eg when you are buying a console you might buy something else like a TV. Also dont forget the price we pay is not the price the retailer pays. It will be less. So if the console is £299 to us MS will not get that much due to the distribution pipeline. Even if buying direct from MS in bulk the retailer wont pay that price. Thus both Sony/MS sell at a loss.
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True but dont Sony/MS put in their sales contracts that you must sell at the price they set ? I`m sure I have read this before which is why nearly all retailers sell both consoles at the one price. Its well known for years they both sell their consoles at a loss and recoup from game sales. Retailers dont argue because if they did they would not get stock and they need the stock for visitors. eg when you are buying a console you might buy something else like a TV. Also dont forget the price we pay is not the price the retailer pays. It will be less. So if the console is £299 to us MS will not get that much due to the distribution pipeline. Even if buying direct from MS in bulk the retailer wont pay that price. Thus both Sony/MS sell at a loss.
not true, many people drop out of the thread when they get theirs. the loudest voice is those who still haven't.
2000 was a horrid launch, I still remember the GN video telling everyone to buy a 1080ti, got mine for £500 "with" a free game, much cheaper than the new 2080 on the market.
As for maxwell and pascal, those days are gone, we not getting those prices and availability back again. Chinese factories happy to stay maxed out with no investment, a realisation that not fulfilling demand is more profitable, and the FE been the only card not gouged by retailers.
FE prices will go up next gen, Nvidia will have realised they could have priced the FE higher this gen. Probably only keeping it down now for that bit of good PR from it.
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No disrespect intended, but none of that is relevant to the point being made. Sony might sell at a loss but the retailers don't. In any case, you've hit on the answer; the retailers should be instructed to sell at MRSP just like they are with Sony and MS.
Yeah its relevant you just hit the answer on the head which made it relevant
Sony tell the retailer what price to sell at so should Nvidia and AMD in an ideal world. That was my point !
Maybe, probably depends largely on the global supply/demand situation by then and what AMD are up to.
If AMD (or by then even intel perhaps!) are competitive then there will still be the pressure they felt this time around that led to the 3080 “bargain”.
I think the midrange is where things have got truly insane though. There will always be people willing to pay megabucks to have a top of the line card, but what worthwhile options do you have currently in the £200-300 mark? Absolutely buttkiss, even used!
I hope to see more competition in that area when intel arrives to the party, I don’t see them troubling the high end for a while. If we want PC gaming to thrive though we really need to see some good options around the £200-£300 mark. A healthier mid-range will also go some way to controlling the higher end.
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Yeah its relevant you just hit the answer on the head which made it relevant
Fair enough, we're talking about the same thing. Remember this when you see an Asus card listed at £679. That's what the MRSP is, but the difference there is that neither Asus nor Nvidia made the price a contractual agreement. That's why you'll see the retailer price go up by £50, then £75... £100... £200...
It's got nothing to do with how much profit is in it for Nvidia or Asus, because the retailer already agreed the price with them. The rest is pure opportunistic greed. They used to blame it on exchange rates until it became painfully obvious that this wasn't the case.
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This was all said before the 3000 series launched. There was no reason to believe it then and there's still no reason to believe it now. This is part of the problem; it's like a form of Stockholm Syndrome.
The 'Add to Cart' button didn't even appear for me.
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Looks a decent enough jump to me
It depends which GPU you compare it too, and what resolution you play at. On average, the performance difference is 16% at 1080p and 31% at 4k, comparing the 3070 and 3080 FE models:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/35.html
The price increase is 38%, from £470 to £650. So, ideally you'd want a price of ~£590 for the RTX 3080 FE, if the price increase reflected the GPU's performance (4K). Funnily enough, this is about the price of the RX 6800 XT reference model. You also only get 2GB of extra VRAM, although it's higher bandwidth / faster VRAM, this was clearly done to give people a reason to buy the marginally better RTX 3090 (24GB VRAM).
I think because of the RRP prices of the RTX 2000 series, the RTX 3000 series looks comparatively good to most though.
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What are everyones thermals of pure GPU usage?
The best thing I can find is a Quake 2 RTX loop with high global illumination set and in high res (4k or 3440x)
Create loop.cfg in the baseq2 folder
Add this into loop.cfg
timedemo 1
alias l1 "demo demo1 ; set nextserver l2"
alias l2 "demo demo1 ; set nextserver l1"
l1
Launch Quake 2 RTX
Bring down console with tilde `
Type '/exec loop'
Credit to @Rroff
After 15 minutes I hit a 65c core max and 92c memory. 57% max fan speed
The best thing I can find is a Quake 2 RTX loop with high global illumination set and in high res (4k or 3440x)
Create loop.cfg in the baseq2 folder
Add this into loop.cfg
timedemo 1
alias l1 "demo demo1 ; set nextserver l2"
alias l2 "demo demo1 ; set nextserver l1"
l1
Launch Quake 2 RTX
Bring down console with tilde `
Type '/exec loop'
Credit to @Rroff
After 15 minutes I hit a 65c core max and 92c memory. 57% max fan speed
It’s fair to say that was the MSRP at launch, however that isn’t the case now. I think Nvidia were giving rebates to manufacturers to reach that price which also no longer exist.
you also need to quote your average clock speed, as GPU boost throttles to keep thermals and power usage in check, the temp numbers don't mean much unless we know the clock speed too.
for example, two different GPUs could both get thermal throttled at 73C, but one at 2000mHz and the other at 1800mHz (due to different cooling or power efficiency or better GPU bin).
I imagine if you can't see it in the list of forum subjects then you don't.
You seem to fulfill the criteria, unless its been changed. You may need to activate your Trust
Click "Forums" at the top of the page if you don't see "Members Market" under the "Distributed Computing" forum then you don't have access.
Wouldn't worry most of the £500 3080FEs and £700 3090FEs are gone now sadly.
Cheers
Did some buyers really got a RTX 3080 for £500? That's a pretty good deal.
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