EV general discussion

Work place charging BIK is mentioned in a recent Fully Charged Video

https://youtu.be/8H6HoFMGgnk?t=1221

In terms of tax requirements - It's no different to having a free fuel pump at your workplace.

It isn’t because the government exempted it has an incentive to adopt. There is a checker here:

https://www.gov.uk/expenses-and-benefits-electric-company-cars

If the charger is on company property or nearby and is free for employees, there is no BIk.

The reason I expect companies will modify their policies over time is because of the inherent unfairness to groups of employees who can’t use it (particularly where there is a finite number of chargers outweighed by the number of cars) and the cumulative cost of paying for hundreds of cars to be charged.
 
It isn’t because the government exempted it has an incentive to adopt. There is a checker here:

https://www.gov.uk/expenses-and-benefits-electric-company-cars

If the charger is on company property or nearby and is free for employees, there is no BIk.

The reason I expect companies will modify their policies over time is because of the inherent unfairness to groups of employees who can’t use it (particularly where there is a finite number of chargers outweighed by the number of cars) and the cumulative cost of paying for hundreds of cars to be charged.
I already checked that link, see the outcome below.

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Oh it's because you own it, the business sorts mine and thus my outcome is I'm totally fine.

Should have pushed for salary sacrafice if anything! :p
 
Oh it's because you own it, the business sorts mine and thus my outcome is I'm totally fine.

Should have pushed for salary sacrafice if anything! :p
My car is SS but not everyone who uses the chargers is the same. I guess it's impossible to set different options on the charger for those where the company owns the car and those that don't. Also it would be open to misuse.
If the business is smaller and everyone is running SS cars then it's easy to have it free.
 
I already checked that link, see the outcome below.

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Your not answering Q3 correctly for what we are discussing. Your answer implies the company gives the employee a prepaid card or use a company account or something to pay for 3rd party charging for personal use.

The other answer covers where the charger is in the company premises (or nearby) and employees can use or free of charge e.g. while at work. The company just absorbs the electric into their wider bill.
 
Looks were at the bottom of my list, the important factors for me were the 'smartness' of the charger, the company behind it supporting the charger moving forward, e.g. does it have a good app that can be/and is upgraded with newer features and integration with many vehicles, and will I be able to link in solar PV array for power diversion, to the car when the house won't be using it. The other consideration was cost, but as you say they are pretty much of a muchness now my install was ~£400 after the OLEV grant and required a reasonably long run of cable and the new regs meant I needed an earthing rod as well.

I'd hope the charge will last at least 10 years, and as such the cost shouldn't be too much of a big issue over that time frame, and I think that if you want to buy something more expensive because it looks better then that is a valid reason, if keeping it for that long. It may also impact how saleable your house is should you move, since some folk may look at an untidy install/charger as a big negative.

Thanks for that... Never really looked into the functionality of them although looking at the savings on EV tarrifs I may need to compare and see if it is worth switching or not.

What EV point did you go for in the end?
 
Here's me new runabout. It'll probably going to be doing some longer trips too so will be a bit of an adventure and no doubt with some anxiety :). Only 1500 miles on it. Wasn't intending to spend quite as much(up to £15k initially) but should last me a good while now.

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Here's me new runabout. It'll probably going to be doing some longer trips too so will be a bit of an adventure and no doubt with some anxiety :). Only 1500 miles on it. Wasn't intending to spend quite as much(up to £15k initially) but should last me a good while now.
we need to see the trend-setting interior shot, later, too - nice wheels


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Thats how i read that website? Seems not to be taxable?

doesn't your answer imply money is being payed at the chargepoint eg. it is not owned by the employer, and money is being given by the employer to pay for the electricity. ?
seems bady worded anyway
 
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Here's me new runabout. It'll probably going to be doing some longer trips too so will be a bit of an adventure and no doubt with some anxiety :). Only 1500 miles on it. Wasn't intending to spend quite as much(up to £15k initially) but should last me a good while now.

Anxiety comes with lack of preparation, I've never felt anxious once and have even travelled from the Midlands to the highlands of Scotland and back again in the Ioniq, after only having it a couple of weeks. Spend some time getting to know where you are going, and how to drive the car for both fun, and efficiency, so you know what real range you have left and can adjust accordingly.

I'm sure you'll have fun with it though, have you picked it up yet?
 
Anxiety comes with lack of preparation, I've never felt anxious once and have even travelled from the Midlands to the highlands of Scotland and back again in the Ioniq, after only having it a couple of weeks. Spend some time getting to know where you are going, and how to drive the car for both fun, and efficiency, so you know what real range you have left and can adjust accordingly.

I'm sure you'll have fun with it though, have you picked it up yet?
Monday afternoon. Could have picked it up sooner but booked up Sat and closed Sunday and needed a few days to get prepared myself, still need to sort insurance so task for tomorrow or Sat (busy week).
Yeah, will be good. will look into wall chargers over the weekend so can get something ordered.
 
tax and chargers at work
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/employment-income-manual/eim01035
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/employment-income-manual/eim23900

charger has to be availible generally, so not reserved for sales force.
S237A ITEPA 2003
Exemption for workplace charging of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles
From 6 April 2018, where an individual is provided with workplace facilities for charging a battery of a vehicle used by them (including as a passenger), no taxable benefit arises in respect of costs relating to the provision of electricity at those facilities if certain conditions are met.

What the exemption covers
The exemption covers:

  • the cost of electricity
  • the cost to the employer of providing the charging facilities
  • any connected services
The exemption does not apply to the reimbursement or payment of an employee’s personal expenditure in respect of charging a battery of a vehicle away from the employer’s premises. For example, it does not apply where the employer reimburses the employee’s costs of charging a battery of their vehicle at a motorway service station.

Where an employer reimburses an employee’s electricity costs for charging the battery of a vehicle other than on the employer’s premises and the electricity is then used on a business journey, the employee may be entitled to Approved Mileage Allowance Payments (AMAPs) and/or Mileage Allowance Relief (MAR) (see EIM31205).

Qualifying conditions
The following requirements must all be satisfied for the exemption to apply.

1. Location of charging facilities
The charging facilities must be provided at or near an employee’s workplace. See EIM21685 concerning what should be considered ‘at or near’.

The exemption does not apply where the charging facilities are at the employee’s home.

2. Provided to employees generally
Charging must be available to either:

  • all the employer’s employees generally, or
  • all the employer’s employees generally at the employee’s workplace
3. Optional remuneration arrangements
The benefit will remain taxable if it is offered in conjunction with an optional remuneration arrangement. The exemption is a relevant exemption as defined in s228A(1) to (3) ITEPA 2003 (EIM44131).

4. Passengers
Charging facilities must be for a battery of a vehicle in which the employee is either the driver or a passenger.

Example
Mr and Mrs X work for different employers in a similar location and so take turns to drive each other to work. Mr X’s employer spends £6,000 to install charging points in their office car park.

Mrs X’s employer does not provide charging points at her workplace. When Mr X makes use of the charging facilities at his office’s car park, the benefit of the electricity used, the use of the charging point and any connected services are exempt.

On days when Mrs X drives them both, the car is parked at Mr X’s office.

The use of the charging facilities remains exempt as Mr X is a passenger.

Company cars and vans
Provision of electricity and connected services by an employer for a company car or van is exempt under s239 ITEPA 2003.
 
Contacted Ohme and waiting for their installer to quote.
How are these fitted? On the wall it will be fitted on is the white electric meter box and of course meter and inside the house on that wall is the RCD box. Will they just route from the external meter? Should be a simple install i think anyway
 
Contacted Ohme and waiting for their installer to quote.
How are these fitted? On the wall it will be fitted on is the white electric meter box and of course meter and inside the house on that wall is the RCD box. Will they just route from the external meter? Should be a simple install i think anyway

Mine is routed directly from the main meter box, with its own isolation switch etc. Meant a much cleaner install and less faffing as the cable runs right through the garage, and then to the outside of the property and is mounted on the non-visible wall of the porch. It could have been neater again but I didn't want the unit fitted inside of the garage, although I did consider this at first.
 
Contacted Ohme and waiting for their installer to quote.
How are these fitted? On the wall it will be fitted on is the white electric meter box and of course meter and inside the house on that wall is the RCD box. Will they just route from the external meter? Should be a simple install i think anyway

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34464151

big cable from the white 40A RCD is what runs across front of house under the path and clipped to the wall under the soil to the charger.

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So it isn't actually connected to the internal fuse box?

If they fit direct to the wall box I could potentially have the charger placed pretty much right next to it... The installer will love it!

That’s right, not officially “correct” but I’ll cross that bridge if the DNO ever turn up to put extra stuff in their “space” :D I think this the way Pod-Point do it now anyway and also means the circuits have a degree of separation.

The consumer unit inside is just a busbar feed with an array of RCDs the break off the various circuits in the house. The white additional box does that function instead.
 
That’s right, not officially “correct” but I’ll cross that bridge if the DNO ever turn up to put extra stuff in their “space” :D I think this the way Pod-Point do it now anyway and also means the circuits have a degree of separation.

The consumer unit inside is just a busbar feed with an array of RCDs the break off the various circuits in the house. The white additional box does that function instead.

Interesting thanks. Either way the consumer unit is only on the other side of the wall in the garage anyway so it's still fairly easy.

I am opting towards pod point purely down to the way the tethered cable can be wrapped around.

All the smaller stylish boxes whilst great untethered lose all the style when the tethered cable needs to be stored.
 
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