Change to hybrid ?

Ok, maybe I should have done a full stop, instead of a a comma. Double the complexity. Heavier and more expensive.

You know what I mean.

And perhaps I'll have to eat my words, because on checking - the Kia Niro PHEV is lighter than the e-Niro. I guess that's why it's only got a 9kw pack.
 
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Just feels a get out. A similar argument could phrase them as best of both worlds. Large range without refuelling concerns whilst enjoying low cost local commuting and super refined experience with plenty of power on demand if required. Not as heavy as a similar BEV.

just choices really ain’t it. :)
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Just feels a get out. A similar argument could phrase them as best of both worlds. Large range without refuelling concerns whilst enjoying low cost local commuting and super refined experience with plenty of power on demand if required. Not as heavy as a similar BEV.

just choices really ain’t it. :)
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I still think BMW had the model right with the i3, it's just a shame they priced the masses out of buying it. If they put the same powertrain in a 1 series (or a mini) it would have sold bucket loads. If there was a version of the Niro with a 40kw pack with a 600cc engine in it, that would be much more useful than a 1.6 with a 9kw pack. 30 mile electric range (real world 20) is so low you're going to have the ICE kicking in on almost every journey.
 
Hmm not sure, that range extender does NOT give the same experience as a typical PHEV for both drive ability and NVH. Again another good choice though - just they struggled to make that scooter engine emission compliant!
 
Unless I'm wrong it seems like most of the issues is down to either lack of understanding (by owners) how they're supposed to be most efficient, or just not charging them?

If you're doing a long 200mile trip and the battery is dead, you're obviously only going to be getting ~40mpg from the petrol engine. We worked it out with a spreadsheet to estimate how many miles we should do electric only + petrol costs over 12k miles/year and it was roughly the same fuel+electric costs as a reasonably efficient diesel. We're a bit on the fence but are thinking it's a way of dipping our toe into electric but having the assurance of being able to fill up at a petrol station on the M6 and not be sat with a dead battery unable to charge at a charging point :p
 
Bug One said:
I think the best situation for most familes is an ICE and a BEV.
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Whilst this is a great solution if you have the need or space for multiple cars I think it's a stretch to say that the best solution for most of the country is multiple car ownership.
 
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One for you - Update just posted. You know you want to :D

BMW X5 45e 10,000 mile review

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Oh missed this. It's a great video and highlights the benefits of PHEV. For people commuting <30 miles it is a great way to go IMO
 
Bug One said:
I think the best situation for most familes is an ICE and a BEV. 90% of our driving is done on the BEV and then we've got the ICE for when a longer trip is needed.

A PHEV is just double the complexity, weight and expense. As someone has said earilier - the worst of both worlds. The only PHEV that makes sense to me is the i3 REX - where the petrol part is only used as a backup incase you aren't able to charge. Only problem is they're way over priced.

23 miles each way I could easily do on my old 24kw Leaf - and I wouldn't have to charge at work (although a big of free leccy is always a bonus).
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Why not just get a self charging hybrid?

Toyota / Lexus?

You get high mpg. So cheap to run. Cheap repairs as very reliable.

£0 road tax or cheap road tax.

You also for £30 can travel 500 miles on a run without needing to stop in the Lexus CT. The Prius will be far better than that. Probably 600 miles.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Whilst this is a great solution if you have the need or space for multiple cars I think it's a stretch to say that the best solution for most of the country is multiple car ownership.
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Not everyone gets the best solution, so I can see where a hybrid might come in useful. Whether it actually saves any money over the entire cost of ownership is debatable. I guess it depends on how often you're able to use electricity over petrol/diesel.
 
Bug One said:
That sounds a lot. I couldn't even do that in the Honda Insight.
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Well I do 400 miles for £30-£35 and that's start stop city driving.

On a run it should do 500 miles.

I'm sure that I've driven from Glasgow to London on a tank and still had plenty of fuel.

Did you ever do a long run non stop motorway in the Honda?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Why not just get a self charging hybrid?

Toyota / Lexus?

You get high mpg. So cheap to run. Cheap repairs as very reliable.

£0 road tax or cheap road tax.

You also for £30 can travel 500 miles on a run without needing to stop in the Lexus CT. The Prius will be far better than that. Probably 600 miles.
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£30 / 500 miles ?
is that a full tank to zero ?
it will be more than £30 i would have thought

been looking at the Gen 4 prius a lot lately, and a Lexus CT as im going automatic next
 
500 miles on 25 litres (or £30 at £1.20/l) of fuel? No chance. That’s like 90mpg....

That might have been possible 20 years ago.

Edit: my bad, you can actually get about 27 litres for £30 so it’s 85mpg needed to get 500 miles. Makes zero difference to the outcome. Not a chance in a month of Sunday’s.
 
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ShiWarrior said:
£30 / 500 miles ?
is that a full tank to zero ?
it will be more than £30 i would have thought

been looking at the Gen 4 prius a lot lately, and a Lexus CT as im going automatic next
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I get 400 miles in a city with stop start driving for £30-£35.

On a motorway at a constant speed of say 65mph you will easily get 500 miles for £35.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
500 miles on 25 litres (or £30) of fuel? No chance at motorway speeds. That’s like 90mpg....
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Probably more like £35 and it's petrol so cheaper than diesel.

It will hit mega mpg but not 90


Actually the Prius claims 94.1 mpg but realistically achieves 85 mpg but that's the eco model with 15 inch alloys, etc.

That's on a run though.

Which is why the Lexus gets 400 miles for £35 city driving and 500 miles on a run.

The Prius is far more efficient.

I haven't filled a full tank in the Lexus in around a year so I was saying £30 but it's probably more like £35. I've only been putting £20 in because of the pandemic as £35 would last me 6+ months.

It's clean and super efficient and a great car. I don't think I could go full Prius but the Lexus CT is a great car for the average person.

I'll likely either get another one in 1-2 years to replace the current or swap it out for full electric in 2-3 years.

It's not have me a single large bill so I'm going to see if it starts stuttering with the egr issue and if it does that's when I'll quickly get rid of it before it blows a gasket. That could be never though as it only effects some depending on how it's driven and mileage. It's happened to some at 150k miles and others at 350k miles.
 
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400 miles of £35 is far more realistic and is around 58mpg. That’s what you would expect on a run from a hybrid car.

It’s utterly miles away from your original post. :p

There is no pay a Prius gets 85mpg on a long motorway run and a diesel would be more efficient in that use case.
 
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