Keeping up with the Markles

Dolph said:
And the more you respond, the more you sound like those who enable and belittle people who have experienced such things and seen others try to rationalise or normalise such behaviours as ok.

You also appear to be ascribing a negativity to my view that I've been careful to spell out I'm not implying. I'm not suggesting that the duchess is intentionally setting out to drive the result that is occurring, nor that Harry is acting out of coercion not love and a desire to protect. I'm instead arguing that the end result is unhealthy, which is a slightly different argument. An unhealthy or abusive relationship doesn't require hate, nor does it require malice, that's just more myths.

The problem is, and I fully accept this, that some situations or behaviours can be viewed in many different ways. Suicidal thoughts or threats of suicide can be both a reaction to a situation and a means of control, and when you love someone, it can be impossible to spot the difference, because when you love someone, you lose objectivity. I know this, I've been there.

Ultimately, I think they need help, they don't need vilification, but they also don't need to be enabled. As a couple, they are reinforcing each others negative behaviours, and that's not healthy.

I'm still not sure whether I can watch the full interview, as I've said, much of it hits too close to home. I don't wish them ill in any way, but I also won't pretend that what they are showing the world is healthy and normal, because it isn't.
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You are ascribing their behaviour as negative, when I think it’s clear they are the victims of the control and abuse from their extended family and the Royal firm. You are misplacing the negativity that they are outlining and claiming they don’t know what they are talking about, and that they should be forced to help reconcile with their toxic family and situation they are trying to create a healthy space from.

They are clearly outlining abuse, but you are then claiming they have some how manipulated themselves and are actually abusing each other and the abusers they have named are innocent?
 
Junglist said:
which is why context matters
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Agreed, which is why I said it was baseless without any proof, it's a smear job. That's why I said she's playing the race card because unless she has evidence then it's a fit up job that no one can defend because of the way they've done it. It's like someone making a baseless rape claim and damaging someone without any proof.
 
Did Harry just wash his dirty laundry in public?
What a pillock.

All families have arguements but you don't put it on global TV.

This is like new levels of the Jerry Springer show.

Crazy couple.
 
Junglist said:
Yes it is different. You can still ask those questions regardless of who's the baby parents are.

Why does the childs complexion need to be took into consideration. They could ask whose eyes, nose, ears, lips, feet, hands or whatever else if they would be curious as to how it would look. There is no need to ask how dark a baby would be.


I've never felt the need to ask my friends "oh I wonder how white your baby would be?" because it's not relevant. But I may joke that "Oh i hope he doesn't get your dads ears" etc.


But sure, it's just playing the race card. She needs to get that chip off of her shoulder eh? :o
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What if one of the parents is ginger?
 
Junglist said:
Yes it is different. You can still ask those questions regardless of who's the baby parents are.

Why does the childs complexion need to be took into consideration. They could ask whose eyes, nose, ears, lips, feet, hands or whatever else if they would be curious as to how it would look. There is no need to ask how dark a baby would be.


I've never felt the need to ask my friends "oh I wonder how white your baby would be?" because it's not relevant. But I may joke that "Oh i hope he doesn't get your dads ears" etc.


But sure, it's just playing the race card. She needs to get that chip off of her shoulder eh? :o
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I fear you are banging your head against a wall in here. Lots of posters would just rather spout "she's playing the race card!" even though it was Harry that said the conversation happened. Asking about skin colour with a mixed race child isn't anything like eye colour and its ridiculous for anyone to suggest it is.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Why would you even ask the question though?

Also only an idiot would think that the baby would come out looking like Eddie Murphy.

It has 75% white DNA. And the 25% black DNA it has isn't that powerful in the dark skin side of things because it's mother could easily be mistaken for being white.

At best she looks slightly exotic like Italian, Persian, Egyptian, etc. The last thing I would be thinking when looking at Meghan is that she's from Zimbabwe.

Therefore it's a terrible question and in context of how the media has brought up race time and time again in relation to Meghan it's obvious that the reason the question was asked was either out of stupidity or racism.

She doesn't look black at all. Therefore to ask if the baby would come out looking so black you would need a flashlight to see him is racist.
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People speculate about a child's sex, a child's appareance etc loads before birth.

Have you not heard people asking if it will take after its mum or dad before?

Is it sexist? Appearance-ist? Weight-ist?

Being ginger Harry has a really white complexion. Its just a fact. Is it racist to say he looks white?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I fear you are banging your head against a wall in here. Lots of posters would just rather spout "she's playing the race card!" even though it was Harry that said the conversation happened. Asking about skin colour with a mixed race child isn't anything like eye colour and its ridiculous for anyone to suggest it is.
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Of course it is, no different from hair colour, eye colour or any other colour. It's just faux outrage, race card rubbish unless proof that it was said derogatively.
 
The Running Man said:
People speculate about a child's sex, a child's appareance etc loads before birth.

Have you not heard people asking if it will take after its mum or dad before?

Is it sexist? Appearance-ist? Weight-ist?

Being ginger Harry has a really white complexion. Its just a fact. Is it racist to say he looks white?
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Asking how dark a baby will be when parents are interracial is not a PC question.

Also I have family in that exact situation and not once did I ever think about asking them do you think it will come out white, brown or dark brown.

Why? Because it's literally a dumb question. Asking if a baby will be tall or small is completely different because it's not racist for a start.

Would you ask a Pakistani and a white British couple if they think their baby would like curry or fish and chips?

Don't answer that because we all know you would ask that question but the point is a normal person wouldn't.
 
Junglist said:
And you can still ask those questions without saying "I wonder how dark it'll be".

It's not rocket science. As I said it all depends on the context but really it's an irrelevant question

Maybe I'm the odd one for thinking that it's not a question that would be beneficial to anyone.
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Doesn't matter if the question is irrelevant or not, it's still just a simple question. Perhaps the person asking genuinely wondered how dark the baby would be? Not for any reason, but because humans often wonder things that have no relevance or impact. I have friends who are a mixed race couple and plan to have kids. Even I wonder if the kids will be black or white, or in between. That doesn't make me racist, they're my mates. I just wonder because it's a normal thing to do and when I ask them they'll probably be wondering and guessing the same thing. Hell, we will probably place bets amongst our friendship group... Them included :)

If however it was asked in a derogatory way, on the side so hopefully Megan wouldn't know. That's a different matter altogether and could very easily be classed as racist.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Would you ask a Pakistani and a white British couple if they think their baby would like curry or fish and chips?

Don't answer that because we all know you would ask that question but the point is a normal person wouldn't.
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That sounds like a joke question that would/could be completely acceptable between friends.

But you wouldn't ask it of a stranger. Not because it is automatically racist, but because it could be interpreted that way.

You can't say most Indians/Pakistanis don't love a good curry :) I love a good curry. Every sane individual loves a good curry.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Would you ask a Pakistani and a white British couple if they think their baby would like curry or fish and chips?
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I'm white British and my wife is British Pakistani. When we had kids our friends did indeed ask us what we ate at home and whether we had a lot of curries or more British food. It was genuine curiosity and neither of us took offence for the slightest second.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Asking how dark a baby will be when parents are interracial is not a PC question.

Also I have family in that exact situation and not once did I ever think about asking them do you think it will come out white, brown or dark brown.

Why? Because it's literally a dumb question. Asking if a baby will be tall or small is completely different because it's not racist for a start.

Would you ask a Pakistani and a white British couple if they think their baby would like curry or fish and chips?

Don't answer that because we all know you would ask that question but the point is a normal person wouldn't.
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I think it could have been phrased better but we don't know if Harry paraphrased it himself.

But the only reason you would ever ask is because the child us from a mixed couple. If they weren't you'd never need to be sensitive around asking
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Asking how dark a baby will be when parents are interracial is not a PC question.

Also I have family in that exact situation and not once did I ever think about asking them do you think it will come out white, brown or dark brown.

Why? Because it's literally a dumb question. Asking if a baby will be tall or small is completely different because it's not racist for a start.

Would you ask a Pakistani and a white British couple if they think their baby would like curry or fish and chips?

Don't answer that because we all know you would ask that question but the point is a normal person wouldn't.
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What are you blabbering about. There’s nothing remotely racist about speculating whether two people (one white, one also as good as white but convinced in their head that they are “of colour”) might have a dark skinned baby or a light skinned baby. It matters not but in no way is it any different to wondering if they’re going to have a big nose, fat lips or blue eyes. Any specifically racist context is the important aspect here and there has been none. Show me some proof where someone has asked “so you think it’ll come out as a big dirty black ape” and then you can have your point. If not then this is a complete non-issue.
 
Hades said:
I'm white British and my wife is British Pakistani. When we had kids our friends did indeed ask us what we ate at home and whether we had a lot of curries or more British food. It was genuine curiosity and neither of us took offence for the slightest second.
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Asking what you eat at home is completely different to what I said though.

Would you ask a black and white couple if they think their baby would like jerk chicken or steak pie?
 
Hades said:
I'm white British and my wife is British Pakistani. When we had kids our friends did indeed ask us what we ate at home and whether we had a lot of curries or more British food. It was genuine curiosity and neither of us took offence for the slightest second.
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Why would anyone ever be offended by such a question. Bemused maybe, but at the end of the day stereotypes are what they are because statistically they hold true.
 
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