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Haggisman said:
Strained? I don't think you quite understand how they work. Never had a problem overtaking in the Zoe and it would quite happily just go until hitting the artificial limiter at 87mph. Saying that, I tend to stick to the speed limit, if you're used to breaking it constantly then maybe your experience will be different
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You must be such a good Samaritan. Also people see things differently as to what is and isn't a gap to overtake plus how many to overtake at once. Being able to accelerate to a higher speed than 87mph it is not difficult to see that it opens up more opportunities to overtake safely when pressing on. I do a 35 mile commute in 39 minutes. I am no maniac behind the wheel but when working a 12 hours shift I want to get home a quickly and safely as possible. If I am in my wife's car that has considerably less power and top speed it takes me longer as overtakes have to be planned.
 
Haggisman said:
So do engines and gearboxes.

I completely agree with you about the cost of new/used cars, and the complexity of modern cars making them both less reliable and harder to DIY on, but this applies equally to both ICE and EV.



Just no. My stepdad has an early Model S (iirc 7 years old), and while yes, the battery has lost a bit of range, it will still go further on a charge than many new EVs.

No to mention that when the battery has lost enough capacity to make it no longer viable for EV use, the cells still have value for other energy storage (e.g. home solar batteries). You can't say the same for your petrol engine when it goes bang ;)

I don't understand why people don't do even the most basic research before posting such uninformed drivel :rolleyes:
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Drivel?

I wasn't sure about the battery replacement/lifespan, that's why I put a question mark after that. EXCUSE ME. Lol.

Points stands, I can run an ICE much cheaper than an EV as of today.

And I've never yet had a petrol engine go bang.
 
adam cool dude said:
You must be such a good Samaritan. Also people see things differently as to what is and isn't a gap to overtake plus how many to overtake at once. Being able to accelerate to a higher speed than 87mph it is not difficult to see that it opens up more opportunities to overtake safely when pressing on. I do a 35 mile commute in 39 minutes. I am no maniac behind the wheel but when working a 12 hours shift I want to get home a quickly and safely as possible. If I am in my wife's car that has considerably less power and top speed it takes me longer as overtakes have to be planned.
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:p Come off it chap, you'll be late home from a 12 hour shift because your car can't exceed 87mph?
 
BUDFORCE said:
Drivel?

I wasn't sure about the battery replacement/lifespan, that's why I put a question mark after that. EXCUSE ME. Lol.
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It is drivel. Saying "5 years" is laughable and there's no excuse to not spend 30 seconds on Google before making yourself look daft (or like you have an agenda).

There are more maintenance parts on an ICE than an EV; cambelt, clutch, spark plugs, oil & filter changes, exhaust system etc.

Sure none of them cost as much as a battery to replace, but how many times will you have had to do them over the 10 years or so the battery will last? Those smaller costs every year or 2 will start to add up.

BUDFORCE said:
Points stands, I can run an ICE much cheaper than an EV as of today.
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I don't doubt that, but are you comparing like for like, and does your usage suit an EV?

BUDFORCE said:
And I've never yet had a petrol engine go bang.
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"Yet" - that doesn't mean you might get unlucky tomorrow and your cambelt snaps without warning. Of course that's a very unlikely scenario if the car is maintained properly - in the same way as an EV needing a new battery after only 5 years is either unlucky, or has been hammered.

adam cool dude said:
You must be such a good Samaritan.
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:confused:

I had no trouble overtaking lorries (or other slow traffic) in the Zoe; always in the "right gear", instant acceleration. Also a lot easier to pull out of junctions in smaller gaps since I could get up to speed a lot quicker
 
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dLockers said:
:p Come off it chap, you'll be late home from a 12 hour shift because your car can't exceed 87mph?
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You would be surprised. My journey can fluctuate between 39 minutes or 49 minutes each way depending on what I am driving. I work in food production and there is plenty of agriculture round here so two lorries together is a common sight. Top end is everything in these situations :p. I have one stretch of dual carriageway. The rest is typical countryside A road.

I have driven on the continent many times and is part of my life. Maxing out at 87MPH would increase my journey time a lot going through Germany.

I honestly cannot believe on a motoring forum that no one here exceeds 87MPH!? M1 is pretty much exclusively 90+ in the outside lane.
 
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Haggisman said:
I had no trouble overtaking lorries (or other slow traffic) in the Zoe; always in the "right gear", instant acceleration. Also a lot easier to pull out of junctions in smaller gaps since I could get up to speed a lot quicker
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You can come on one of my trips to Poland in the summer and we will see who will get there first ;).
 
Haggisman said:
Thanks for the offer, but I have a big enough **** that I don't feel the need to prove how fast I can drive to random nobody on the internet :p
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sorry but why does the post have to end like this nowadays we can all agree to disagree if we have different opinions, was quite good until this ....
 
gc123 said:
sorry but why does the post have to end like this nowadays we can all agree to disagree if we have different opinions, was quite good until this ....
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You know, you're right, and I couldn't agree more, someone decided to turn it into a ****-measuring contest and I responded in kind when I should just be the bigger man and let it go. Apologies and post edited.
 
adam cool dude said:
That old fallacy. The Zoe is what 10+ grand more expensive than an equivalent Renault Clio. What are you actually saving?
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- Tens of tonnes of CO2 entering the atmosphere
- The enjoyment of driving an EV
- The convenience of driving an EV
- The enjoyment of new tech
- Being allowed to drive into clean air zones

Etc..
 
adam cool dude said:
That old fallacy. The Zoe is what 10+ grand more expensive than an equivalent Renault Clio. What are you actually saving?
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£200/month saved in fuel x 5 years = £12,000.
Cheaper servicing
£0 tax
Zoe will likely be worth more than the Clio in 5 years

So far from a fallacy (although the point is now moot as I actually got rid of the Zoe due to covid and permanent WFH :p)
 
Haggisman said:
£200/month saved in fuel x 5 years = £12,000.
Cheaper servicing
£0 tax
Zoe will likely be worth more than the Clio in 5 years

So far from a fallacy (although the point is now moot as I actually got rid of the Zoe due to covid and permanent WFH :p)
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To spend £200 a month on a diesel Clio you would need to be doing 24k miles a year to break even in 5 years. More realistic mileage of 12k national average takes you to ten years.

It really is clutching at straws to justify an EV as a cost saving thing.
 
adam cool dude said:
I honestly cannot believe on a motoring forum that no one here exceeds 87MPH!? M1 is pretty much exclusively 90+ in the outside lane.
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Would you wail and complain when being fined/given points, etc? What about when you can't brake in time and smash into a broken down car, etc. Speed does kill and people who come on public forums and boast about doing at least 17 mph over the speed limit are the problem with the UK's motorways.

If you wouldn't be willing to discuss your speeds with a traffic cop, then please don't boast about breaking the speed limit significantly on here. No traffic cop would allow you to go past them at 87 mph plus and not stop you.
 
adam cool dude said:
To spend £200 a month on a diesel Clio you would need to be doing 24k miles a year to break even in 5 years. More realistic mileage of 12k national average takes you to ten years.

It really is clutching at straws to justify an EV as a cost saving thing.
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Diesel Clio starts at £19k, even the cheapest petrol one is almost £16k, my Zoe cost me £21k, so that's only £5k difference at most for a far more basic car. You could maybe make up that £5k with a discount to make up the £10k you stated, but you're still in a smaller, lesser specced car which is worse to drive and has higher running costs.

Doing 15k/year (which I was when I bought Zoe) , assuming 60mpg with the Clio, it would cost me ~£6.6k in diesel for 5 years, so would need a ~£4.5k discount from the £19k, just to break even on purchase price + fuel costs. While that's not outside the realms of possibility, that doesn't take into account the other lower running costs + residuals
 
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gailjon said:
Would you wail and complain when being fined/given points, etc? What about when you can't brake in time and smash into a broken down car, etc. Speed does kill and people who come on public forums and boast about doing at least 17 mph over the speed limit are the problem with the UK's motorways.

If you wouldn't be willing to discuss your speeds with a traffic cop, then please don't boast about breaking the speed limit significantly on here. No traffic cop would allow you to go past them at 87 mph plus and not stop you.
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It is not about driving everywhere at 87mph or above but do you honestly overtake at NSL speeds?

The problem with UK's motorways are they are too slow. Germany handles it just fine and a lot of continental Europe have 130kph (81mph) Motorways. I have been on plenty of autobahn far worse than some of the very good motorways we have in our country.
 
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