Does anyone on this forum consider themself as being " woke "

[chroniclard]

That's one guy though. He is a businessman, you can't compare someone like that sacking a person because he isn't a team player to cancel culture. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with that way of doing things, but you can't compare it to cancel culture.

No, it's not one guy or one incident it's 4 years of the entire right wing cult of Trump attempting to cancel anyone the fat waster targeted. It's the same thing.

 

[adam cool dude]

Stephen Fry made the point during a debate on free speech that when he started his career in television, it was the right-wing who were all for censorship and cancelling (Mary Whitehouse et al). Now it’s predominantly (but not exclusively) the left but it will probably swing back again at some point.

Pretty much bang on. I have sky sports on my YouTube subs and this video came up.

Comments switched off yet all other sky sports videos have comments turned on because they simply know the comments that are going to come through because it is woman's football.

 

[Reality|Bites]

confused with that one? where's the problem?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

The underlying ideology is the same and genocide is the logical conclusion of the ideology. If <insert group here> is inferior and the cause of all problems, the logical solution is the eradication of <insert group here>. The people who committed those genocides (and many others) were "woke".

So yes, I am making that comparison. Not all "woke" people will take their ideology to its logical conclusion. Some will be OK with their target groups having inferior social status and legal rights. Some will be OK with sporadic violence that serves as a reminder to their target group to know their place. There are various positions on the spectrum from inferior social status and legal rights to the final solution to the <insert group here>. But the underlying ideology is the same and eradication is the logical conclusion of the belief that <insert group here> is inferior and the cause of all problems and in general the more power such an ideology gets the further along the line it gets towards the logical conclusion of itself. It doesn't even require the support of the majority of the followers of the ideology. The ones who seek power within the ideology with the most determiniation will be the ones most likely to get it.

So the British Empire was woke.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Failed ex president Trump's modus operandi was to try and cancel anyone who disagrees with him, anyone who criticised him, anyone who didn't buy Into the cult. Cancel culture is in no way a lefty phenomenon.

Exactly. That is what is the problem in here. Too many posters only see issues like this from their own political perspective. So i-bert just couldn't see the right doing it while it stares him in the face.

That's one guy though. He is a businessman, you can't compare someone like that sacking a person because he isn't a team player to cancel culture. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with that way of doing things, but you can't compare it to cancel culture.

I'm beginning to think you live under a stone. Trump went out of his way to try and cancel anyone who opposed him or even just criticised him, no matter who they were or what walk of life they came from. He exploited it like few other individuals.

 

[Johno please?]

Exactly. That is what is the problem in here. Too many posters only see issues like this from their own political perspective. So i-bert just couldn't see the right doing it while it stares him in the face.

I dunno, Freedom of speech for some reason seems to be more popular among the right wing, regardless of your political leaning it should the one thing we all have in common, but it seems like it isnt.

 

[Tom_ed1987]

I wouldn't consider myself woke. Infact I consider it a derogatory comment & an insult more than anything.

In my mind, to be Woke is to be A sheep, a follower of trends, to be small minded, reactionary, to be terrified of controversial topics, to want to force unjust ideas & to be in favour of oppression & silencing of dissent

 

[adam cool dude]

confused with that one? where's the problem?

Freedom of speech.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Pretty much bang on. I have sky sports on my YouTube subs and this video came up.

Comments switched off yet all other sky sports videos have comments turned on because they simply know the comments that are going to come through because it is woman's football.

That or because diversity in women football was mentioned the comments would have turned toxic almost immediately.

I follow Gary Lineker on twitter. Comments to his tweets can be so toxic. People feel because he is paid by the BBC that they can say anything they want to him. I'm sure lots are on the public payroll themselves and wouldn't be happy if people started spamming their tweets with vile comments because "we pay your wages". Lots telling the BBC to sack him because they don't like his political views. These are of course the same people who will accuse the "woke" of cancel culture

 

[i-bert]

Exactly. That is what is the problem in here. Too many posters only see issues like this from their own political perspective. So i-bert just couldn't see the right doing it while it stares him in the face.



I'm beginning to think you live under a stone. Trump went out of his way to try and cancel anyone who opposed him or even just criticised him, no matter who they were or what walk of life they came from. He exploited it like few other individuals.

I'm not saying he didn't, but he was just one man doing it, a powerful one at that. You're the one living under a rock if you think this isn't how powerful businessmen do things.

He is not "the right".

We are not talking about what happened 20-30 years ago, like some of the examples you gave. Society should get better, not worse, and it's not Conservatives getting events cancelled because they don't agree with what is being said, it's the left doing it these days, that's the problem.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I'm not saying he didn't, but he was just one man doing it, a powerful one at that. You're the one living under a rock if you think this isn't how powerful businessmen do things.

He is not "the right".

He was and arguably is still the leaser of the Republican Party. The Republican Party also uses cancel culture. It has done so for decades. The Republican Party is a right wing party.

Give me a list of powerful business leaders that do this then. That use their public platform to try and cancel people who cross them or won't snap into line. And not just their personal platform but their job, so use their companies to cancel people.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Good point regarding the assumption that providing additional support to one group won't disadvantage another which is very rarely the case in reality!

Not sure what was going on with the quote function there but I can’t take credit for that sensible point. The plaudits must duly go to @adolf hamster.

Actually on the topic of not paying a woke individual will NEVER raise the subject of financial inequality and poverty disadvantaging people because they tend to be well heeled. Raising "wealth inequality" doesn't allow them to appear virtuous and calls into question why they're not contributing finaincially towards fixing the problem though increased taxes/charity donations/etc. They'll only ever call out inequality when it results in someone else having to give up something and not if it results in them being disadvantaged in any way. Particularly financially. The woke individual will only ever contribute if it makes them look good and they can use it to their advantage. Such is the level of their hipocrisy!

I’m not sure you can apply such an absolute statement to all woke people — many of them do raise issues of wealth inequality, and how do you know that they don’t already support charities?

A common argument is that they would happily pay higher taxes if it was a progressive increase across the board and if they thought they could trust the [current government] to make good use of the extra money (but they don’t).

I mean, what would be the point of a woke individual, on an average salary, voluntarily paying a bit more in tax right now? Firstly, it would be an insignificant sum in the grand scheme of things and secondly, it would probably end up in the pocket of Matt Hancock’s next door neighbour… it would hardly benefit the downtrodden and destitute whom the woke are meant to be fighting for.

 

[Efour]

IM not woke i just treat people how they deserve on how they act and behave. I probably come across as "woker" IRL.

Ill apply Stereotypes, a loose set of guidelines, like older people get a bit more respect, a gang of teenage boys in hoodies could be agro and previous life experience to a situation and then learn differently depending on how it pans out. Street sense? Common sense? I dunno.

i also take the knee whenever i see a nonwhite person.

 

[platinum87]

I've seen exactly that image and others similar to it being used. On first impressions it seems fair that the taller person should be "discriminated" against. However life is very rarely this simple. For example :-

What if there aren't enough boxes to go round and they're a finite resourse? Who makes the boxes? Shouldn't this individual have some say in how they're distributed? Presumably they should be rewarded for their work to incentivise them to create more boxes for others to stand on. Could the shorter individuals not make their own boxes if they need them in oroder to watch the game? Is it critical they get to see the game?

To use this image to suggest it's fair some people should be given more than others so they can be "made equal" is incredibly disingenous! I actually saw it in the school where my children were being taught and ended up in a disagreement with the teacher over it's use. I find it worrying our children are being indoctrinated into this kind of "equity" mindset and that government sectors are promoting it.

The video i saw in school at the age of 13, sponsored by or made by amnesty international, depicts two men working by smashing rocks. One of them is huge, who smashes double the rocks and is therefore paid double.

Apparently they should be paid the same in that situation. That sort of rhetoric goes way beyond nonsense like standing on boxes. It is scaled up to mean we should get paid the same at all times. The eventual conclusion to that is full communism where everyone is paid nothing.

People do not understand that productivity is wealth, and reducing it reduces wealth of the country and the world, meaning there are less boxes to go around, because people dont get paid extra to produce more boxes per hour, thus, they wont do it.

People think i am just a sociopath, but in my world we would be collectively far wealthier and productivity would be so high to render all basic things so cheap they are almost free.

People whine about things being expensive, wages being low. That's because productivity is low.

Right now you have people in china working like mad to ship products to us, while we print money. You can see this in the USA most of all.

One day the Chinese will have a light bulb moment when they ban all exports. They will then open a twitter account and type GG.

Edit: If not clear, while some might be more concerned about race issues, it is all a single underlying ideology.

 

[Tony Edwards]

I think the more pertinent question is how many of you consider yourself to be anti woke?

BTW the right have been trying to cancel the BBC for years. The right are by and far the biggest cancel brigade.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

The video i saw in school at the age of 13, sponsored by or made by amnesty international, depicts two men working by smashing rocks. One of them is huge, who smashes double the rocks and is therefore paid double.

Are you sure it was an Amnesty International video? Because what you describe doesn't sound like the kind of video they would make. They are a human rights and prisoners of conscience organisation.

 

[platinum87]

Are you sure it was an Amnesty International video? Because what you describe doesn't sound like the kind of video they would make. They are a human rights and prisoners of conscience organisation.

Yes, so by paying someone less than someone else its a human rights issue. That is their ideology.

But its absolutely certain their logo was on it. I will try to find the video, but its probably lost to time.

Edit there is no chance in hell to find it. It was a cartoon btw, maybe a few minutes long, i assume made in the 90's

 

[Jean-F]

I wouldn't consider myself woke. Infact I consider it a derogatory comment & an insult more than anything.

In my mind, to be Woke is to be A sheep, a follower of trends, to be small minded, reactionary, to be terrified of controversial topics, to want to force unjust ideas & to be in favour of oppression & silencing of dissent

That pretty much sums up how I view “woke” people too, I’m quite au fait with the zeitgeist of today, environmental activism, liberation etc., but I’d rather be viewed as sound asleep than woke.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Yes, so by paying someone less than someone else its a human rights issue. That is their ideology.

But its absolutely certain their logo was on it. I will try to find the video, but its probably lost to time.

Edit there is no chance in hell to find it. It was a cartoon btw, maybe a few minutes long, i assume made in the 90's

A bigger person doing more work and so getting more pay isn't a human rights issue. Workers being abused and made to work in terrible conditions or children being used as slave labour is more an Amnesty thing. So no I don't agree that "its their ideology". Funny I did a few searches and couldn't find a trace of this video and Amnesty. I'd expect to see some reference to it if it was only the 90s.
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[i-bert]

I think the more pertinent question is how many of you consider yourself to be anti woke?

BTW the right have been trying to cancel the BBC for years. The right are by and far the biggest cancel brigade.

The woke left are the masters of it, that's why a new terminology was created because of their antics.

And the BBC are doing a great job of cancelling themselves by pushing their agenda.