Is it about time NVidia produced an Ampere Titan?

[arconz]

Why do you need Titan that you can't get from a Quadro Kapstad? If it's for your business, surely the Quadro RTX A6000 is the better option - it uses 50w less than the 3090, never mind the Titan and it's a fair bit faster than the 3090 in work, I've seen benchmarks showing it's 20-30% faster

Huh? A 3090 absolutely murders a Titan or Quadro RTX 6000 in professional renderers. Redshift vulcan test scene benchmakrs below, typical of results from other renderers:

RTX 3090 - 161
Ampere A6000 - 174
RTX 3080 - 189

RTX 3070 - 252
Quadro RTX 6000 - 255
Titan RTX - 256
RTX 3060 Ti - 267

Quadro RTX 5000 - 358

An Ampere Titan has literally no reason to exist. There was never a leak for it - these often get confused with workststation cards like the 48GB A6000, and like the 3070 Ti 16GB / 6144 CUDA cores turned out to be the new A4000 lol. For pro workstation use the 3000 series is already far superior to Titan, and niche apps like Solidworks will be served by the A4000-A6000 series.

 

[Purgatory]

Huh? A 3090 absolutely murders a Titan or Quadro RTX 6000 in professional renderers. Redshift vulcan test scene benchmakrs below, typical of results from other renderers:

RTX 3090 - 161
Ampere A6000 - 174
RTX 3080 - 189

RTX 3070 - 252
Quadro RTX 6000 - 255
Titan RTX - 256
RTX 3060 Ti - 267

Quadro RTX 5000 - 358

An Ampere Titan has literally no reason to exist. There was never a leak for it - these often get confused with workststation cards like the 48GB A6000, and like the 3070 Ti 16GB / 6144 CUDA cores turned out to be the new A4000 lol. For pro workstation use the 3000 series is already far superior to Titan, and niche apps like Solidworks will be served by the A4000-A6000 series.

Agree the only time you need a titan or quadro is if the drivers are required for your work flow and actually improve performance. I saved myself a bunch of money this time round for my my work with 2 x 3090s instead of a titan or quadro as my work doesn't need the titan or quadro drivers. Professional users this time round have finally won the gpu game with gaming cards that work better and cheaper than their pro versions if they don't require titan or quadro drivers. Without the 3090 this time I would have had to buy A6000 cards for the office workstations and my personal rig. At work we now have got rid of all our titans and quadro in the workstations and now have dual 3090s with nvlink, saved us so much money in upgrading this time round.

I have a feeling Nvidia may not be doing that again in the future, but I hope they do as not everyone needs quadro and titan drivers for their work.

 

[Purgatory]

I See that a white asus strix 3090 sold on the 15th Feb for £3,050

I saw one sold for £3500 private sale. I don’t get it I think they look ugly in white and cheap. Anyways we all have different tastes.

 

[arconz]

I have a feeling Nvidia may not be doing that again in the future, but I hope they do as not everyone needs quadro and titan drivers for their work.

Apart from Solidworks, 3D & DCC apps have seen zero benefit from Quadro/Titan drivers in the past 3 years since 2000 series. In terms of raw speed GeForce has been faster than Quadro for 10 years. AMD is always evolving so its not like nVidia can just start selling bad video cards with less memory next time.

 

[scubes]

Thank god I got my 3090 instead of going though all this crap again .my 3090 came from USA.

 

[Kaapstad]

Huh? A 3090 absolutely murders a Titan or Quadro RTX 6000 in professional renderers. Redshift vulcan test scene benchmakrs below, typical of results from other renderers:

RTX 3090 - 161
Ampere A6000 - 174
RTX 3080 - 189

RTX 3070 - 252
Quadro RTX 6000 - 255
Titan RTX - 256
RTX 3060 Ti - 267

Quadro RTX 5000 - 358

An Ampere Titan has literally no reason to exist. There was never a leak for it - these often get confused with workststation cards like the 48GB A6000, and like the 3070 Ti 16GB / 6144 CUDA cores turned out to be the new A4000 lol. For pro workstation use the 3000 series is already far superior to Titan, and niche apps like Solidworks will be served by the A4000-A6000 series.

You are comparing Turing to Ampere.

I would expect an Ampere Titan to beat everything in your list.

 

[Purgatory]

Apart from Solidworks, 3D & DCC apps have seen zero benefit from Quadro/Titan drivers in the past 3 years since 2000 series. In terms of raw speed GeForce has been faster than Quadro for 10 years. AMD is always evolving so its not like nVidia can just start selling bad video cards with less memory next time.

Remember this is Nvidia we are talking about, look at the Ti range as an example they have been stuck on 11GB since 2016-17 and then 3080 Ti is getting 1GB more in 2021 for a grand total of 12GB which is useless for anyone doing professional work that needs more VRAM. The 3090 I'm shocked didn't have a £2.5k msrp when they came out, yes now they are that for AIBS and more but talking FE here that is £1400 and basically what an AIB 3080 costs now.

If a Titan does come out it will probably have 36GB or 48GB and will have a shocking price this time £3.5k+ and at that price it will still sell but not a good buy if you don't need Titan drivers and need more than 24GB, and even if you need more than 24GB dual 3090s with the Nvlink and memory pooling if your application allows it is still the better way to go.


Also Nvidia asked AIBS to remove the blower 3090s from the market because they ended up in servers and workstations and they were not happy about it, so you see why I think next time the 3090 type card may not exist and they will just sell a Titan and price it as a Titan.


Regarding AMD for pro work, this generation is useless for it, they are pure gaming cards and even if they sort of fix that next generation, most pros require CUDA or Optix anyways, so you see the problem there even if AMD has more VRAM they are useless for some applications and the pros look for features that AMD can't offer.

 

[Steviepunk]

I thought that the 3090 IS the titan model? nVidia only use the Titan name for cards they produce and in the instances where they have AIBs selling them, they were all reference design However when they use the **90 naming, they allow the AIBs to do what they want

Can't remember where I heard that, but I recall reading that when the 3000 series was launched

 

[subbytna]

You want to walk away from pc gaming because you can't buy a titan ?????? #confused.


What...those two 3090 not quite powerful enough you? Kap?

You want a 3095, or titan H. Is this just for epeen or you actually going to use that extra 5% for something useful?

It was idiots who bought the original Titan at £1k that gave Nvidia the green light to keep increasing prices, so we're now at this point.

 

[subbytna]

I thought that the 3090 IS the titan model? nVidia only use the Titan name for cards they produce and in the instances where they have AIBs selling them, they were all reference design However when they use the **90 naming, they allow the AIBs to do what they want

Can't remember where I heard that, but I recall reading that when the 3000 series was launched

3090 isn't a titan. It doesn't have the titan drivers etc.

 

[Darujhistan]

As in the title, Is it about time NVidia produced an Ampere Titan?

The reason I say this is because of the likely price it would be very poor value to the miners and would give real enthusiasts the chance to get their hands on a very high end gaming GPU.

The way things are going at the moment I am very seriously thinking about walking away from PC gaming for a couple of years until things improve.

I can not see the point in waiting for an enthusiast card like an Asus Strix for many months and when I can finally get one it is almost obsolete because the next generation of GPUs are only a few months away.

Why do you need to walk away from it?

Has all of your PC hardware stopped working overnight?

Have all your games stopped working or something?

Not sure I understand why you have to quit PC GAMING because of the GPU situation.

 

[Rroff]

Why do you need to walk away from it?

Has all of your PC hardware stopped working overnight?

Have all your games stopped working or something?

Not sure I understand why you have to quit PC GAMING because of the GPU situation.

I kind of get where he is coming from - I used to like finding an interesting/special card like the 780GHz edition, with performance towards the upper end but at a better price, and playing the latest games on it - when these kind of cards are so late into the cycle and merely adequate for the latest games it takes a lot of the satisfaction out of it,

 

[arconz]

You are comparing Turing to Ampere.

I would expect an Ampere Titan to beat everything in your list.

Actually the comparison scores included everything from Turing to Turing and Ampere to Ampere... But no the Titan RTX had more CUDA cores than the 2080 Ti but was only 5% faster stock, and had less overclocking headroom, bringing them the same in GPU rendering performance... so what are your expectations based on again?

Artists bought Titan for the VRAM... There is no need for it now with the 3090 and the new more competitively priced A series for scientific users with memory ranging from 16-48GB, all of which would make any configuration of Ampere Titan look pointless.

 

[Darujhistan]

I kind of get where he is coming from - I used to like finding an interesting/special card like the 780GHz edition, with performance towards the upper end but at a better price, and playing the latest games on it - when these kind of cards are so late into the cycle and merely adequate for the latest games it takes a lot of the satisfaction out of it,

That's got nothing to do with PC GAMING though that's a different thing, that's just a GPU fetish, which we all know Kaapstad has in spades, and that's where this comes from, he's throwing his toys out the pram because he can't get indulge his fetish for wildly expensive and niche GPU's (he's already said he'd pay 3.5K). That's fine, but don't pretend it's anything to do with gaming.

Because it isn't.

 

[Steviepunk]

3090 isn't a titan. It doesn't have the titan drivers etc.

I wasn't aware there was any difference in the drivers - were they targeted more at professional use?

 

[subbytna]

I wasn't aware there was any difference in the drivers - were they targeted more at professional use?

The 3090 has no access to NGX
The 3090 has no access to certified pro drivers

Titan cards had the Professional drivers.

3070 8Gb (GA104) > 3070 Ti 8/16Gb dual variant (GA104) > 3080 8Gb (GA104) > 3080 Ti 10/20 Gb dual variant (GA102) > Titan 24Gb (GA102)

IMO the 3090 should have been the 3080Ti in naming, but AMD scuppered that with their 6900XT release. With any TITAN being the 24GIG VRAM card. The naming stack got shifted again by Nvidia

 

[Kaapstad]

Actually the comparison scores included everything from Turing to Turing and Ampere to Ampere... But no the Titan RTX had more CUDA cores than the 2080 Ti but was only 5% faster stock, and had less overclocking headroom, bringing them the same in GPU rendering performance... so what are your expectations based on again?

Artists bought Titan for the VRAM... There is no need for it now with the 3090 and the new more competitively priced A series for scientific users with memory ranging from 16-48GB, all of which would make any configuration of Ampere Titan look pointless.

Turing Titans actually tend to overclock better than 2080 Ti cards in like for like situations as the former seem to have better silicon.

Having said that it is not the point I am making.

A new Ampere Titan would be specced higher than any other Ampere gaming card and that is the bit that is important.

 

[arconz]

The 3090 has no access to NGX
The 3090 has no access to certified pro drivers

NGX is so niche & its not like render developers aren't already using Tensor cores on GeForce to artists' benefit.

As someone who has been using both GeForce & Quadros in workstations for 15 years "certified pro drivers" doesn't mean anything in terms of actual support or reliability, not when you end up having to deal with companies like Autodesk or Adobe. A small fraction of the professional market needs those drivers so applications like Solidworks aren't crippled due to the way they were written.

 

[Joxeon]

If they are going to do a Titan then it should be on TSMC 7nm to really set it apart from the 3090 in terms of performance and efficiency, would probably need to be priced around 4K to make it worth Nvidia’s while.

 

[arconz]

A new Ampere Titan would be specced higher than any other Ampere gaming card and that is the bit that is important.

Agreed it would have the full die... but this wouldn't translate into a marketable product is the point I am making. If it only had 24GB nVidia would still charge a huge premium for the die and drivers, for a 5% speed boost at best. If it had 48GB it would be twice the price - any sane 3D artist like me would instead get two 3090s with nvLink, that's 48GB but I could then render 90% faster for the same price.

That only leaves the scientific / quadro crowd who actually need the drivers but are drawn to stability and form factors over clocks.