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Is it about time NVidia produced an Ampere Titan?

Joxeon said:
If they are going to do a Titan then it should be on TSMC 7nm to really set it apart from the 3090 in terms of performance and efficiency, would probably need to be priced around 4K to make it worth Nvidia’s while.
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I don't think re-spin would right word for porting from Samsung's 8nm to TSMC's 7nm.
But then redesign wouldn't be it either. So, something in-between.
I could imagine such a port taking largish team maybe 9 months to a year.
Question then is, what did Nvidia guess would be the market situation one year ago, or whenever they realised Samsung's 8nm was a lot worse than TSMC's 7nm?
Titan is far too small a market for the millions the port would cost, so unless they have other products which could use that die, I can't see this happening.
 
KompuKare said:
I don't think re-spin would right word for porting from Samsung's 8nm to TSMC's 7nm.
But then redesign wouldn't be it either. So, something in-between.
I could imagine such a port taking largish team maybe 9 months to a year.
Question then is, what did Nvidia guess would be the market situation one year ago, or whenever they realised Samsung's 8nm was a lot worse than TSMC's 7nm?
Titan is far too small a market for the millions the port would cost, so unless they have other products which could use that die, I can't see this happening.
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nVidia appraised the node situation years back now and choose Samsung 8nm. I don't know to what extent but Ampere (not just A100) exists on TSMC 7nm, nVidia have had the design kit years, have a sophisticated hardware simulation lab and can quickly turn stuff around in their failure lab so probably wouldn't take them 9 months to get up and running unless there were some unanticipated issues with the actual hardware.

TSMC 7nm is a bit of an odd place as the money doesn't really work very well for GPUs, unless you are producing big cores for commercial sales - for instance it is far more profitable than it has ever been for AMD to produce say a whole wafer of Zen cores than using the same wafer to produce Navi cores.
 
Purgatory said:
Nvidia has a 2 year cycle minimum and this time + 6-12 months before you see a new generation for sale.

2023 you will see next gen.
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The 2 year cycle only started with the 10>20 series before that Nvidia was on a 1 year cycle and this was only because AMD were a generation or 2 behind but they have now caught up to nvidia at least on rasterisation so will overtake Nvidia if they continue on a 2 year cycle.

look at how Nvidia had to panic this time around and push the power higher and also use the 102 die for 3080 to remain on top. Had AMD not been competitive then we would have had the 3070 for the 3080.

Now whether or not Nvidia release a whole new architecture or stick with ampere and shrink it down an add some tweaks and rebadge like they did with maxwell to pascal so they can get something out the door faster but they will have to do something to combat AMD considering they are on the superior node now and are making large performance gains in a relatively short time span.
 
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