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nVidia changing their 30 series silicon

Hodders said:
Where Nvidia will upset consumers with gimped mining cards is when a casual gamer (like me) uses the card for a bit of extra income when I'm not gaming on it.

I have ONE 3070 that earns me a couple of bottles of wine a week. I'd be upset if I had bought a 3070 that unknown to me had been gimped.
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But it’s not advertised / promoted / sold as a mining device in any way as far as I can see, so to moan about its ability in that area of workload , gimped or not is just tough imho.

If it were a particular aspect graphics based workflow that had been gimped which nVidia had advertised the card as being good for, lets say like gimping games engine over another, then yeah, that’s cause for complaint. But mining ? Naha
 
silvagti said:
Agreed, physically gimping hardware isn't a good answer IMO. I've no interest in mining but I'd worry the changes they've made could impact performance in an app/game which I do use the GPU for.
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I disagree, it's the only answer than makes sense. Software = will be cracked. Hardware = miniscule chance of being cracked by physical hardware mods, which would void warranty and ruin resale value.

Obviously it won't affect gaming performance in any way, or Nvidia wouldn't be doing this.
 
Still got my 980Ti i could get about 200 quid for :eek: i got my Tuf 3080 cheap from here, got an imported Gigabyte 3060Ti cheap also, the only one i overpaid for was an Aorus 3070 @ £670 which is still cheap considering prices now.

If Nvidia release and gimp newer cards, that will only likely push up prices of the cards that can mine well. Even then people will probably just buy AMD cards instead.
 
Seems like a good idea too me, a no-brainer in fact. Hopefully this will help separate GPU stock and increase availability for gamers.
 
Can someone ELI5 how they can make a card that reduces mining effectiveness but not gaming performance?

It's all just processing performance, no?
 
They way they did it at least in the current driver was detect the very specific attributes and memory access patterns that mining with the popular algorithms uses. These patterns are quite predictable and differ from those that playing a game or mining a different currency would. Once that was detected the driver simply throttled back performance.

Ultimately however unless they implement something on a hardware level its going to be cracked by someone eventually. Assuming of course they don't shoot themselves in the foot and release a unpatched driver again..
 
McPhee said:
Hardly uncommon. Apparently there's a bit of a PC gaming boom among the kids at the moment, so a typical family home could easily have 2-4 GPUs (or it could be mining...).
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i have 4 gaming PCs in my house, it’s not an unbelievable scenario.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Yeah but it's a kick in the teeth for households who haven't been able to buy one!
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it is to some extent, but the GPUs still service the individual so in reality it’s no different.
I still spend hours and hours trying to score an upgrade just like the rest of you.
 
I’m not without empathy. I honestly think a big portion of blame lies with those who are willing to pay the inflated prices. They drive the market. It happened before with the 1080ti.

if Nvidia get this hardware limiter right then it will 100% bring prices down.
 
dazzlaa said:
I’m not without empathy. I honestly think a big portion of blame lies with those who are willing to pay the inflated prices. They drive the market. It happened before with the 1080ti.

if Nvidia get this hardware limiter right then it will 100% bring prices down.
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I would probably bring the cards like the 3080 down by half of what they are currently going for on the bay but I would wager they would be around 2x over MRSP on the scalper market.
 
Realistically, if the 3080ti drops at £999 msrp with a hardware limited mining capability, you’d expect cards to be available. But probably not on the first wave as miners will buy them regardless to see if they can make money. If nvidia limit to 30MHs or whatever, like they did with the 3060, and that limited cannot be broken then no one in any sane frame of mind would spend a grand to earn a couple of pound per day. That would be a win win scenario for all.
 
The GPU market is starved for cards, doesn't ultimately matter if they are released with a limiter in place or not. If people have the means they will buy them and so will those looking to resell the cards for profit. It will help but don't think its going to be the magic bullet to change the market overnight. The fact of the matter is that anything that goes up even close to MSRP will sell in minutes at the moment.
 
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