Automatic emergency braking.

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Maybe tailgating aggressively to get past someone isn’t such a good idea.

Nothing brings on rage like a good old fashioned brake check.
 
rpmmatt said:
If you don't like idea of you car braking by itself, consider they are spending millions researching and developing the AI that will make an active decision to kill you over other people depending on the situation the car finds itself in.
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On the flip side of that, if you're the 'other people', then maybe it's better a car is making an unbiased logic based decision rather than another human who has their own self preservation as top priority regardless :p
 
SkodaMart said:
I remember watching something about that.
Scary stuff.
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But probably the right choice. Its the big dilemma all AI car people have at the moment as the systems get cleverer and more accurate.

If the system knows you are going to crash and sees you can either hit 2 children or 4 OAPs does the car decide to hit the OAPS over hitting the children?
 
Kenai said:
On the flip side of that, if you're the 'other people', then maybe it's better a car is making an unbiased logic based decision rather than another human who has their own self preservation as top priority regardless :p
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Yes, providing it works correctly.
I’m out - classic cars for me
 
SkodaMart said:
Let’s imagine the driver of the 38 Ton truck had passed out at the wheel and was about to hit me.
The LAST thing I wanted to do was stop, I’m dead anyway. Evasive action was the only safe option, not braking.
Automated driving is dangerous under certain circumstances.
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Sure.

But human drivers are dangerous in many more circumstances.

Our licensing system is pathetic. All these doddery old people trundling around in tons of metal with the reactions of a snail. Assisted driving will prevent far more accidents than it causes.
 
SkodaMart said:
Yes, providing it works correctly.
I’m out - classic cars for me
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Thing is the AI car people know their systems will kill some people but overall there will be many less deaths and injuries compared with people driving. No consolation if you are killed by the AI getting it wrong in your car though I suppose.
 
mid_gen said:
Sure.

But human drivers are dangerous in many more circumstances.

Our licensing system is pathetic. All these doddery old people trundling around in tons of metal with the reactions of a snail. Assisted driving will prevent far more accidents than it causes.
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Hopefully?
 
mid_gen said:
Sure.

But human drivers are dangerous in many more circumstances.

Our licensing system is pathetic. All these doddery old people trundling around in tons of metal with the reactions of a snail. Assisted driving will prevent far more accidents than it causes.
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Indeed, relying on the people to give up their licence is a mad system. My grandfather drove right up to the day before he went into hospital to have both his cataracts done. My parents took his car away while he was in hospital. he wasnt happy.

And its normally always the somebody elderly driving for 10 miles the wrong down a motorway as well. You wont find an AI car doing that.
 
When I bought the new Prius few years back it gave me a shock the first time it triggered the anti collision system. I was about to cut in behind a car from the side road. As there is a few seconds lag between sensor tripping and the car stopping it almost made me stop on the road in front of the oncoming car behind it.
After that I just had to adjust my driving style a bit to not trigger it.
 
I detest these systems myself, but I see their value to most people.

Mine craps itself coming into my driveway sometimes as I have to cross a cattle grid between 2 fence posts and it gets confused. I have it beep often when cars are turning left in front of me even when they are virtually gone and I am approaching from some distance behind. Also central illuminated keep left signs seem to trigger them too.

I am of the opinion that had it not intervened 18 months ago a BMW 3 series behind would not have driven into the back of me because I was covering my brakes and using all the space, the braking pulled me up extra hard a car length before it needed to and that was the space I needed to protect myself I feel from the car behind. I think there are risks to false positives but the argument is cars should leave more space behind you I guess...
 
Only time I'd really like to have it is in thick fog, etc. where it could react to stuff before I can both see and process the hazard - even driving at reasonable speeds for the conditions that can happen.

I don't mind systems in fact am all for ones that alert you to stuff but not a huge fan when they take away too much control while lacking a full sense of real life context awareness - no matter how clever these systems try to be they never get it completely right.

Greebo said:
Indeed, relying on the people to give up their licence is a mad system. My grandfather drove right up to the day before he went into hospital to have both his cataracts done. My parents took his car away while he was in hospital. he wasnt happy.

And its normally always the somebody elderly driving for 10 miles the wrong down a motorway as well. You wont find an AI car doing that.
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I shudder every time I see a Honda Jazz on the road - I joked to my parents the other day if I ever start thinking getting one is a good idea someone should take away my license.

I've had them coming head on at me on the wrong side of the road, with an elderly driver at the wheel, either as a driver myself or when a passenger far too many times and see videos on YT of it as well :s so often seems to be a combination of Jazz + elderly person.
 
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When I had a VW Toerag as a hire car when my E43 was being fixed after it was driven into, I was driving on a straight piece of road and it briefly stabbed on the emergency brakes for no reason at all. No car in front or animal running across the road, nothing at all, freaked me and the wife out. Luckily nothing was behind us
 
I have it on good authority that automatic (and not necessarily automatic as defined, but semantically arguably so) functions on a car are always far better than the inconvenience of having to make the effort and operate a control yourself.... But then I'm a boomer, so I prefer to make the decisions my own self.
 
@Rroff I’ve got to agree on the Honda Jazz.
I was given one as a courtesy car, it was a truly dreadful experience.
There are other cars that fall into the same category though, small Kia’s, and Nissan Micras being two I can think of.
 
SkodaMart said:
Hopefully?
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Very likely. Certainly if phased in sensibly.

The main problem is that automated driving could be as safe as flying, if every car was automated. The main limitations of automated driving right now is not the automated driving itself, it's the human drivers doing stupid and unexpected things.

I can't wait for the motorways to go fully automated....it's going to take decades though.
 
ttaskmaster said:
I have it on good authority that automatic (and not necessarily automatic as defined, but semantically arguably so) functions on a car are always far better than the inconvenience of having to make the effort and operate a control yourself.... But then I'm a boomer, so I prefer to make the decisions my own self.
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I'm on the fence on some of that - stuff like automatic headlights, wipers, etc. generally work fine - though there is a chance that automatic wipers might obscure your vision at the wrong moment but importantly for me they are all features you can turn off at will and/or quickly over-ride.

Automatic gears don't tend to make an executive decision so to speak in quite the same way as stuff like emergency braking - with experience you can manipulate the changes via accelerator input and/or kick-down - there are edge cases where it gets it wrong though - but personally I've only had that happen once in 10000s of miles of driving automatics.

What I'm no fan of is features which take executive actions you have no options over whether they are on or not and how they work when on - though that might also somewhat cover ABS :s
 
There always seems to a point where automatic controls cant decide if they should be on or off. They are digital things trying to work in an analogue world.
 
Isn't there a warning it is about to operate or a quick override eg small accelerator input.

Germany had found people drove closer on the autobahn as a result of relying on automatic braking,
but, nonetheless, if, like the cases of mercedes braking for metallized crisp bags, your telemetry showed you braked for no reason, the car behind would have a claim.
 
jpaul said:
Isn't there a warning it is about to operate or a quick override eg small accelerator input.

Germany had found people drove closer on the autobahn as a result of relying on automatic braking,
but, nonetheless, if, like the cases of mercedes braking for metallized crisp bags, your telemetry showed you braked for no reason, the car behind would have a claim.
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Isn’t a rear end shunt always the fault of the following vehicle?
You should always leave adequate space.
(Most don’t) and when I do someone just fills the gap anyway.
 
Housey said:
I detest these systems myself, but I see their value to most people.

Mine craps itself coming into my driveway sometimes as I have to cross a cattle grid between 2 fence posts and it gets confused. I have it beep often when cars are turning left in front of me even when they are virtually gone and I am approaching from some distance behind. Also central illuminated keep left signs seem to trigger them too.

I am of the opinion that had it not intervened 18 months ago a BMW 3 series behind would not have driven into the back of me because I was covering my brakes and using all the space, the braking pulled me up extra hard a car length before it needed to and that was the space I needed to protect myself I feel from the car behind. I think there are risks to false positives but the argument is cars should leave more space behind you I guess...
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And once everybody has cars with this system then there wont be an issue about the car behind been too close or not stopping in time :)
 
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