Electric cars - talk to me

Tesla cars are currently 5-7 years ahead of any competitors, Writes law will bring the cost of Tesla cars down significantly over the coming years. Tesla expect the Model Y to be most popular car in the world by 2022.

When the time comes I will most likely be buying a Tesla, however will also keep my Honda Integra Type R.

I have been a Tesla share holder since 2019, there is another 15-20 years growth in Tesla as company and holding out for the huge gains to come. Tesla is another Apple or Amazon in the making, and look back 20 years the share price history of those companies. It's expected the share price will grow 15% year on year. The big gains for Tesla are energy, solar, AI and robotics!
 
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JasonM said:
Tesla cars are currently 5-7 years ahead of any competitors, Writes law will bring the cost of Tesla cars down significantly over the coming years. Tesla expect the Model Y to be most popular car in the world by 2022.

When the time comes I will most likely be buying a Tesla, however will also keep my Honda Integra Type R.

I have been a Tesla share holder since 2019, there is another 15-20 years growth in Tesla as company and holding out for the huge gains to come. Tesla is another Apple or Amazon in the making, and look back 20 years the share price history of those companies. It's expected the share price will grow 15% year on year. The big gains for Tesla are energy, solar, AI and robotics!
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they're not anymore. I would say people Hyundai are now ahead of Tesla and other manufacturers are catching up fast.

There are better and cheaper EV cars our there now than tesla.
 
Tesla build quality is pretty poor and they don't score that well for reliability. The interior is all dirt cheap materials and breaks easily. Though the cult of Musk won't have any of it :p
 
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Greebo said:
they're not anymore. I would say people Hyundai are now ahead of Tesla and other manufacturers are catching up fast.

There are better and cheaper EV cars our there now than tesla.
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You raise a good point, and you might be correct, but I still think Tesla is another Apple or Amazon (i own shares in those also) in making and has years of growth ahead.

And yes the cult of Musk is strong :), I won't be betting against him.
 
JasonM said:
You raise a good point, and you might be correct, but I still think Tesla is another Apple or Amazon (i own shares in those also) in making and has years of growth ahead.

And yes the cult of Musk is strong :), I won't be betting against him.
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Yes that may all be true just like Apple stuff is way way overpriced. But your claim was their cars are 5-7 years ahead of competitors. They aren't. The rest of what you posted may well be true except the Model Y been the most popular car in the world by 2022. They wont get that./
 
Greebo said:
Yes that may all be true just like Apple stuff is way way overpriced. But your claim was their cars are 5-7 years ahead of competitors. They aren't. The rest of what you posted may well be true except the Model Y been the most popular car in the world by 2022. They wont get that./
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Ok, maybe not 5-7 years ahead, but there certainly years ahead. They have best AI (dojo), more training data, best motors, best over the air software delivery, the self driving computers are their own architecture and more advanced than Nvidia's (i own Nvidia shares also, there going double in time wait for ARM deal) system. They have new batteries coming in 2021. I think Tesla is safest in an accident also, however not sure on that, the two people that just died with disagree with me here, but then again if your not wearing a seat belt!

It's true the others are catching up however. Food for thought however is Lucid Air has not even allowed a motor journalist to test drive a Lucid Air!

I think with Tesla revenue will come from solar, and tesla power wall, and AI advancement - as other motor companies catch up, Tesla will grow in these other areas also.

The other huge market is Robo Taxi, however they are still trying to icon out issues with the FSD. The thing that's holding Tesla FSD is outline events, like a truck trailering another truck, or a boat being trailed by a another vehicle. Once they can resolve these outline issues FSD will come out of beta and they move on Robo Taxi. Elon Musk needs the money from Robo Taxi to pay for his Mars mission! Also Robo Taxi will pay a dividend that's expected to be huge especially if you got into Tesla shares early enough!
 
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JasonM said:
Ok, maybe not 5-7 years ahead, but there certainly years ahead. They have best AI (dojo), more training data, best motors, best over the air software delivery, the self driving computers are their own architecture and more advanced than Nvidia's (i own Nvidia shares also, there going double in time wait for ARM deal) system. They have new batteries coming in 2021. I think Tesla is safest in an accident also, however not sure on that, the two people that just died with disagree with me here, but then again if your not wearing a seat belt!

It's true the others are catching up however. Food for thought however is Lucid Air has not even allowed a motor journalist to test drive a Lucid Air!

I think with Tesla revenue will come from solar, and tesla power wall, and AI advancement - as other motor companies catch up, Tesla will grow in these other areas also.

The other huge market is Robo Taxi, however they are still trying to icon out issues with the FSD. The thing that's holding Tesla FSD is outline events, like a truck trailering another truck, or a boat being trailed by a another vehicle. Once they can resolve these outline issues FSD will come out of beta and they move on Robo Taxi. Elon Musk needs the money from Robo Taxi to pay for his Mars mission! Also Robo Taxi will pay a dividend that's expected to be huge especially if you got into Tesla shares early enough!
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and yet their cars they make with all this tech arent the best cars anymore by quite some margin. Personally my interest in Tesla cars atm only remains due to their charging network. That they have got 100% right.

I would have said that up until this year they were ahead but now they need to bring something to market ahead of the Model Y. That looks old hat and jaded already.
 
So Tesla has years of growth ahead? When they grow to the size of VW and money on cars their market cap will also be the size of VW!...


Oh wait, that’s less than today’s Ponzi scheme before Elon gets bored playing BTC and Dogecoin games
 
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So what cars do you consider better then Tesla, I'm honestly curious your thoughts here.

I know Ford for example are making gains in electric cars.
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Polestar 2 for starters. The ionic 5, Lucid Air, The Rimac C-Two, the Piech Mark Zero, Merc EQC, Jaguar I-pace, Mustang Mach-E, Porsche Taycan, Honda E depending which Tesla model you want to compare with.

The Ioniq 6 out in 2022 for £50k is to die for and makes all of Tesla's cars look like cheap tat tbh. awd and 300 mile range and Taycan performance. Whats not to love?



Europe and RoW have caught up fast and the new cars coming out in 2022 look very,very good indeed. Europe are now even ahead in better batteries than Tesla and its Europe making the major battery tech and charging advances. Skeleton Technologies have the graphene super battery with 15 second recharge time. That will be the real game changer for all EV cars when you can go and fully recharge your batteries in less time than it took you to fill up with fuel before.

He got there first 12 years ago but the big boys have caught up and are beating him at his own game.
 
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OP I’m in a bit of a similar situation and have been looking at something like a 2017 Leaf for around £10K.

My thinking is that it would be past the worst of its depreciation and if you sold in 2/3 years I would hope you’d still get over half that back. I think they have 8 years/100K miles battery warranty so would still be well within that as well.

It would be good to hear other peoples thoughts on this? Might be a terrible idea but sort of makes sense to me at the moment!
 
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Still think, Tesla is akin to the ballad of Nokia, having it's moment in the sun, even complacency, as the opposition, especially asia/pacific produce attractive designs/ergonomics customers want, and they have also bridged their initial technology lead - maybe google/waymo self drive will, yet, be the industries Apple equivalent - the value is in the software.
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I think Tesla will fold as a car maker eventually and just start selling parts to other manufacturers. Their cars were kinda rushed to market to fill a gap, but there is much more competition now.

The charging tech Lotus has developed for the Evija should be a game changer too (if they share it). A full charge in 10 minutes and over 200 mile range, apparently.
 
Greebo said:
Skeleton Technologies have the graphene super battery with 15 second recharge time. That will be the real game changer for all EV cars when you can go and fully recharge your batteries in less time than it took you to fill up with fuel before.
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How is this possible? Can someone explain the mechanism of how such ultra-fast battery charging would occur? There are certain fundamentals that apply- a set amount of energy needs to be transferred in a specific timeframe. Large amounts of energy transfer (power) equals very high levels of heat, unless someone has developed room temperature superconductors while I wasn't looking.
 
Forget the battery, think about the infrastructure for that. :cry:

14.4MW to fill a 60kWh battery in 15secs.... can’t imagine the cable and connector rating for 18,000 amps. Utter nonsense.
 
Fusion said:
How is this possible? Can someone explain the mechanism of how such ultra-fast battery charging would occur? There are certain fundamentals that apply- a set amount of energy needs to be transferred in a specific timeframe. Large amounts of energy transfer (power) equals very high levels of heat, unless someone has developed room temperature superconductors while I wasn't looking.
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No idea, his the link to the tech and their white paper on it.

https://www.skeletontech.com/ultracapacitor-technology
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Forget the battery, think about the infrastructure for that. :cry:

14.4MW to fill a 60kWh battery in 15secs.... can’t imagine the cable and connector rating for 18,000 amps. Utter nonsense.
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Just cause they can recharge in 15 seconds doesnt mean that we will get 15 second stations but perhaps we will be down to 5-10 mins for full charge everywhere?
 
Greebo said:
Just cause they can recharge in 15 seconds doesnt mean that we will get 15 second stations but perhaps we will be down to 5-10 mins for full charge everywhere?
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You said it yourself, you don't understand how it's possible. Me and Jonnycoupe will summarise- it's not. Be very wary of claims made by people. You can't circumvene the laws of physics. Capacitors are great for discharging energy in short timeframes. They aren't a basis for an electric vehicle power source.

Heat is one of the biggest barriers to improving electric and electronic system performance, whether it's charging a 2500kg vehicle, or designing a new chip for a smartphone. It all boils down to electrical resistance, which is unavoidable unless as I mentioned, you develop superconductors which can work at a sensible temperature. This may be possible in the distant future. Whichever team makes the breakthrough will end up being Nobel Prize recipients- it's one of the holy grails of physics/engineering and has already been in pursuit for several decades!
 
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