Electric cars - talk to me

Greebo said:
pretty damn nice if they can deliver. 500+ mile range, better batteries than tesla, 300 miles range charged in 20 minutes, cheaper models due in 2022 to compete with tesla across the whole range.

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You do know Lucid has not even let a motor journalist even drive a Lucid, let alone sell even one car.

Not saying they can't overtake Tesla, however above is concerning.

And the cost of Tesla's is coming down due to Writes law, they are constantly building better robots / manufacturing and reducing manufacturing costs.
 
SDK^ said:
Tesla have cars to drive and Lucid are still at concept stage.
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I know this!

I also think it's possible Lucid never sell a car, and share holders loose all their money.

I still stand that Tesla is another Apple or Amazon in the making, and has considerable growth ahead. However I'm not 100% sure on this and manage risk with other stocks.

To me, the EV market is similar to the home computer market in early 80's, where everyone was making home computer and claiming their computer was better than competitors. From that period only Apple survived.
 
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Tesla has first mover advantage - while they don't quite have the market cornered like the likes of Amazon do if they don't screw up companies like Lucid aren't going to displace them. The market is theirs to lose rather someone else's to take - even when someone else has a better offering.
 
JasonM said:
I know this!

I also think it's possible Lucid never sell a car, and share holders loose all their money.

I still stand that Tesla is another Apple or Amazon in the making, and has considerable growth ahead. However I'm not 100% sure on this and manage risk with other stocks.

To me, the EV market is similar to the home computer market in early 80's, where everyone was making home computer and claiming their computer was better than competitors. From that period only Apple survived.
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It's the analogues to the mobile phone market that I find fascinating. As time goes on, it becomes clearer which companies are potential future Apples (disrupted the industry and became dominant), which are future Nokias (failed to adapt fast enough and soon enough), and which are future Samsungs (saw the threat from the "Apples" and adapted quickly enough to capitalise on the opportunities). There are even potential Huaweis and Xiaomis, preparing to expand outside of China.
 
JasonM said:
I know this!

I also think it's possible Lucid never sell a car, and share holders loose all their money.

I still stand that Tesla is another Apple or Amazon in the making, and has considerable growth ahead. However I'm not 100% sure on this and manage risk with other stocks.

To me, the EV market is similar to the home computer market in early 80's, where everyone was making home computer and claiming their computer was better than competitors. From that period only Apple survived.
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When did Dell, HP and IBM go bust then? :p
 
Rroff said:
Tesla has first mover advantage - while they don't quite have the market cornered like the likes of Amazon do if they don't screw up companies like Lucid aren't going to displace them. The market is theirs to lose rather someone else's to take - even when someone else has a better offering.
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Indeed which I find that Musk's wild claims that 1 in every 2 cars sold by 2030 (excluding China) will be a Tesla to be quite a doubtful claim. Its a bold target. Seems to be lapped up and accepted by shareholders though.

Even Apple hasnt made it to 1 in 2 of every mobile sold.

I think if Tesla do achieve that much market share it will be bad for the car industry and innovation.
 
Haggisman said:
You won't get the "new" 40kw 2017 model for £10k, so the 30kw would be the one to go for.

For a home charger, in this scenario you may be better going for socketed rather than tethered, as the Leaf uses a Type 1 connector, whereas all new cars use a Type 2, so with a tethered unit, if you were ever to change car in the future you would need a whole new charger, rather than just changing the cable on a socketed one.
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Thanks for the info re the charging station, that's really good to know. Will have a look about to see what's available.

Bug One said:
From test driving a few, I wouldn't take anything less than a Tekna, I really didn't like the cloth seats in the Acenta. At this age, price difference between the two is negligible.

Personally, I like the 24kw Leafs with the battery long life mode (ie - stops charging at 80%) and wish they'd left that feature in. It means I can plug in and not care about charging or leaving the car at 100% for long periods. That feature was removed some way in 2015. So an early 2015 with ~ 50k on the clock would be my target.

The increase in price to a 30kw wouldn't be worth it for my personal use. Or a 40kw really. I'd only spend more money on an electric car if it were something like a 64kw Kona / eNiro with 200+ miles range so we could really comfortably use it for long journeys.
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Cheers I will have a look at Tekna's in that case to see what's around. I was looking at the 30kw due to the extra bit of a range it would have as my main use will be a 60 mile round trip once or twice a week.
I guess I might be able to set a profile on whatever charging station I have installed to time the 100% charge just before I leave perhaps :confused:? If not then I will take a look at the 24kw but not sure if this will be a bit too close to my commute distance.

Bug One said:
Also, I think late 24kw Leaf batteries will have a longer shelf life than the early 30kw Leafs.

https://insideevs.com/news/337439/nissan-issues-statement-on-leaf-30-kwh-battery-degradation/
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That's really interesting and good to know. For my use case I'm not sure how much of an issue that will be given the warranty and length of time I'm planning to have the car for.
 
Greebo said:
I think if Tesla do achieve that much market share it will be bad for the car industry and innovation.
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When I look at a Model S and then look at a Mercedes EQS, IMO the EQS wins hands down for me it isn’t even a competition. Yes the Model S is faster but the EQS looks to be a much better overall package/car. When I make the switch it certainly won’t be a Tesla I will be looking at but probably an EQE if it is half as good as the EQS
 
wildest_jjk said:
I was looking at the 30kw due to the extra bit of a range it would have as my main use will be a 60 mile round trip once or twice a week.
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I wouldn't buy an 24kw for a 60 mile round trip. It's doable, but not on the motorway doing 70 with your lights and heating on.
 
Bear said:
When I look at a Model S and then look at a Mercedes EQS, IMO the EQS wins hands down for me it isn’t even a competition. Yes the Model S is faster but the EQS looks to be a much better overall package/car. When I make the switch it certainly won’t be a Tesla I will be looking at but probably an EQE if it is half as good as the EQS
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Agreed and you looks at the I pace, Polestar 2 and the Ioniq 5 and 6 and all the other superb looking EV cars coming out this year and next year that all look so much better than anything Tesla currently have on offer, I just cant see why millions of people will keep choosing Tesla over the others. Tesla had a massive headstart on all the rest but if I was tesla I would be worried that my car sales were due to fall over the next 8 years, not increase from 500k now to 22 million by 2030.
 
JasonM said:
Apple IIe and Lisa, expensive for many, however some people purchased them for home use.

I used both of these in the 80's.
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Oh I used both at school in the computer labs in the late 80s. Despite going to a private school with very rich people, I didnt know a single boy with one at home, even the ones who came to school in chauffer driver Rolls Royces.
 
Greebo said:
Oh I used both at school in the computer labs in the late 80s. Despite going to a private school with very rich people, I didnt know a single boy with one at home, even the ones who came to school in chauffer driver Rolls Royces.
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The point is Apple IIe and Lisa were micro computers, just as Atari 8 bit, Atari ST, Commodore 64, Amiga, TRS-80, Spectrum range, Amstrad range were all micro computers also. From this micro computer period Apple is only company to survive and Amstrad only survive due to other sales in other areas.
 
Greebo said:
Oh I used both at school in the computer labs in the late 80s. Despite going to a private school with very rich people, I didnt know a single boy with one at home, even the ones who came to school in chauffer driver Rolls Royces.
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Mid to late 80s my dad used to have computers at home due to his job which were crazy expensive - if people think GPU prices are LOL now the 2MB graphics adapter one had cost over 3 grand - the Winchester interface and drive on another IIRC was like a 2 grand upgrade on a base 3 grand system hah.
 
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