So i do a 400mile trip in a day, and i need to get a hotel cause a charge doesn't work?
There's no need to revert to commenting about ICE when there's something bad said about current EV situation.
When are you going fully electric?
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So i do a 400mile trip in a day, and i need to get a hotel cause a charge doesn't work?
There's no need to revert to commenting about ICE when there's something bad said about current EV situation.
Why would you need to get a hotel if a charger didn’t work?
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Cos hes reading all the posts in the thread maybe?
Unfortunately we have a blind 'cos i say so' present in the thread with WJA96
...because that was the suggested solution in the post he quoted - get a ground floor hotel room and hang a lead out the window
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Hyundai Kona 64kW. It averages 4-5 miles per kW winter to summer. So 256-320 theoretical miles per charge but realistically I always knock 40-60 miles off because I try very hard not to go below 20%. And it very rarely makes sense to sit at a charger for 30 minutes waiting for the 80-100% so it’s drive 200 miles, do something for an hour, drive another 200 miles and do something for an hour. And yes, most of my runs are done in one day. I go to a client’s site, do my work, then go to the next site. Sometimes I can charge at the clients site, sometimes not. I’ve stated before how I used to do ‘hero’ drives of 400-600 miles without a break and looking back I’m lucky I didn’t kill myself or anyone else. 200 miles is 3-4 hours driving in the UK and that’s plenty for me these days. Health & Safety want mandatory 2hr drive stints with rest stops but I’m resisting that at the moment.
Used EVs are silly expensive at the moment because they’re cheap to run and the retro-converters are buying up all the old Nissan Leafs to turn Morris Minors into BEVs. But as more and more drivers move to BEV the market will free up and they’ll get cheaper.
Even new ones are getting cheaper all the time. Drive the Deal have 110kW (150PS) 58kWh battery VW iD3 for £25890 on the road. They have the 107kW/45kWh battery one for quite a bit less but the 58kWh is the minimum you’d need for your described usage. And it charges MUCH faster than my Kona.
I’m not saying fuelling isn’t different. It is. It’s just not something you should be worrying about.
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...because that was the suggested solution in the post he quoted - get a ground floor hotel room and hang a lead out the window
Because that’s what I would do if literally every charger in Sheffield had been offline and I needed to charge. Which was the BS question that was asked.
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Perfect description of charger anxiety
It’s not. It’s life with a BEV that has no anxiety in it because I have planned what I’m going to do. If you like driving around terrified of not not knowing where your next charge is coming from, be my guest. I don’t do that. And it gives me several hours a week to post on here.
How is it BS. Your posts are so predictable. I am a EV noob, i drove a EV 400miles on a day trip where im 10mins at my destination before turning around, i need to top it up, at 20miles range i plan to stop at the 150kw didcot charger.
I get there and couldn't get it working. Fortunately the solution was easy and it wasnt the charger but the car. what if it was the charger had broke, the nearest EV charger may have been too far. How would i have charged it? YOur solution was BS, I should get a hotel and granny charge it?!
I did still had to sit and wait there 30mins watching all the ICE cars come and go as i added 90miles of range.
I get there and couldn't get it working. Fortunately the solution was easy and it wasnt the charger but the car. what if it was the charger had broke, the nearest EV charger may have been too far. How would i have charged it? YOur solution was BS, I should get a hotel and granny charge it?!
I did still had to sit and wait there 30mins watching all the ICE cars come and go as i added 90miles of range.
Soldato
Why? Because the chances of multiple chargers being offline is about the same as someone hacking a pipeline company. It happens, but not very often. We could theoretically have a long-term electrical grid failure as well. And then I’d be equally screwed.
Dont confuse terrified with having a thought about your journey. Surely having to plan is something as a ICE driver you dont even worry about as you know there will be a fuel station somewhere without having to rely on apps . Ironically not having to plan also saves time.
Rubbish
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Can't believe how much better that looks than the pervious model which was utterly hideous. Does the red stripe on the side make it go faster though?
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Don’t tar all BEV users with your simplicity Simon. And yes, if you needed a charge, that would get you a charge. Or you could just do what you do when of petrol/diesel - call the AA and they’ll get you some charge. And I’m sure you know perfectly well the chances of multiple chargers in a 20 mile radius around Didcot all being offline is zero. Just BP Pulse has 26 chargers (5 of them 150kW rapids) within 10 driving miles of Didcot and I genuinely couldn’t count the number if I ticked ‘show all’ on Zap Map.
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Amusingly after this post and did you on availability I went to a Bp pulse yesterday on way out of Leicester, a Kona and 308 were parked up, charging and waiting.
Just to add the Genie point i then drove passed at a Shell garage had a Uber Leaf charging and another Leaf parked up next to it waiting.
Then as a final 'experience' i tried a Morrison's Geniepoint which was just crap - slow connection and dropped out.
I didn't need EV energy but could appreciate the concept of charger anxiety to simple mortal muggles.
don’t patronise me.
Maybe if you planned a bit more rather than assuming everything would be ok you wouldn’t have put your Tesla on its roof?
wouldn’t know about running out of fuel. Never done it. My point was obviously lost and again you revert to ICE comparisons and discrediting people’s experiences
can we just remind everyone that you think getting a hotel to granny charge a EV is an actual solution
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630 miles in a day without thinking about it, I wasn't hanging around on the Autobahn either.
That's with an extra charge than I should have needed as my FIL was being a pain so left with 42% charge rather than the 100% I would normally have left with.
Model 3 LR. Appreciate it's an expensive car but shows what can be easily achieved today and should be mass market in the not too distant future.
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Nice, but it's the purchase/monthly costs that will be the killer for a lot of people. Yes I'd love an electric car, but just couldn't justify the cost, maybe when I retire in around 7 to 14 years time I might but be able to. Obviously they are cheaper second hand, but being in the motor trade I do wonder how well they're going to age.
I’d worry about some of the cars being launched now with small batteries and slow charging not ageing well from a technology and capability perspective but not from a reliability perspective.
The cars that have similar capabilities of a Tesla I wouldn’t be worried about at all. They already meet the needs of most people.
I don’t really see charing speeds going past 350kw peek, there just isn’t a need for cars. Also the faster you stuff the electrons in, the more difficult and expensive it is on the grid side.
It’s those cars which are limited to 50kw-100kw which will not age well from the tech standpoint.
I also wouldn’t expect them to stay expensive. Manufacturers are holding prices because they can despite costs of batteries dropping dramatically. Supply generally isn’t meeting demand on most desirable models. If cost is an issue as it will be for most, just wait for it to mature and there is proper competition.
The cars that have similar capabilities of a Tesla I wouldn’t be worried about at all. They already meet the needs of most people.
I don’t really see charing speeds going past 350kw peek, there just isn’t a need for cars. Also the faster you stuff the electrons in, the more difficult and expensive it is on the grid side.
It’s those cars which are limited to 50kw-100kw which will not age well from the tech standpoint.
I also wouldn’t expect them to stay expensive. Manufacturers are holding prices because they can despite costs of batteries dropping dramatically. Supply generally isn’t meeting demand on most desirable models. If cost is an issue as it will be for most, just wait for it to mature and there is proper competition.
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Pretty impressive, 12 hours in total including all the charging stops, and not leaving at 100%.