RX 6700 XT - Is supply getting to UK?

[Martini1991]

It is a rather convenient excuse isnt it?

Well, yeah, considering they were sold at X and Y during Covid.

One minute it's demand is insane, the next minute supply is 10% or 20% of normal?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Lets look at it realistically. Electronics has not changed much year on year, graphics cards appear the same and are the same shape. If you look at where these components fit on the boards its the same place as it was last gen. Coolers are pretty much the same, you cant say these cost tons more adding to the cost.

A mid-tier card should be £400. Throwing on 20% and being generous on shipping that comes to £500 including your profit. This is night and day what some AIB's are charging coming close to a grand for a product that (to them) is less than £400 to make. Its lunacy.

 

[Harlequin]

so technically i was correct, though didnt know who was getting rich off this. as everyone returns to work production should increase and prices should fall, well thats the theory anyway, practice, well thats a different ball game all together

Factories are at 100%, so not really

 

[ASMB]

Again yesterday I posted a screenshot showing our cost on the 6700 XT, which was over £600 exc vat and we sell those cards at £625 +VAT, £25 profit and thats before overheads are taken into account so once cost taken into account we make around a percent.

The point is, we don't sell any reference/FE cards and its only those cards which have an MSRP and those cards are rarely available if ever in AMD's case.

Now that the prices have been reduced on the 6700xt they don't present as unreasonable when compared to many other etailers in this country or the USA. The AIB partners will sell into whichever country they can make the highest profit margin on, so even if OCUK refused to buy cards from AIB partners on the basis of being so much over MRSP of the MBA, those cards would just be sold in another country such as the USA, let alone to another UK retailer.

Question for OCUK, if you make £25 profit on some cards have you considered approaching AMD to act as their agent in the UK for MBA cards, just as another retailer does for Nvidia. This would increase the profile of OCUK in the Uk further, plus you could talk with AMD about adding extra services to buyers of the cards, e.g. extra warranty as AMD only tends to give 2 years, the option for OCUK to build a system around the GPU being purchased.
I know that the OCUK system wouldn't cope with big orders so have a waiting list and when the MBA cards are available randomly select people on the waiting list to get a card, send them an email telling them that they have been selected and they have 24/48 hours to place an order, by website or over the phone depending on which is best for OCUK systems.

 

[Gibbo]

Now that the prices have been reduced on the 6700xt they don't present as unreasonable when compared to many other etailers in this country or the USA. The AIB partners will sell into whichever country they can make the highest profit margin on, so even if OCUK refused to buy cards from AIB partners on the basis of being so much over MRSP of the MBA, those cards would just be sold in another country such as the USA, let alone to another UK retailer.

Question for OCUK, if you make £25 profit on some cards have you considered approaching AMD to act as their agent in the UK for MBA cards, just as another retailer does for Nvidia. This would increase the profile of OCUK in the Uk further, plus you could talk with AMD about adding extra services to buyers of the cards, e.g. extra warranty as AMD only tends to give 2 years, the option for OCUK to build a system around the GPU being purchased.
I know that the OCUK system wouldn't cope with big orders so have a waiting list and when the MBA cards are available randomly select people on the waiting list to get a card, send them an email telling them that they have been selected and they have 24/48 hours to place an order, by website or over the phone depending on which is best for OCUK systems.

OcUK does buy the MBA AMD cards but under strict rules from AMD we can only use them for internal projects for internal use, we can't even use them in our SI programme, the question has been asked but I think the simple fact is AMD ship single units into the UK so the numbers are so small I doubt it could ever happen, maybe in more normal times it could be a possibility but in the present market place, zero chance.

 

[ScottiB]

And what's the shortage from? Aren't the countries that produce said products somewhat "past" covid?

demand
Demand for electronics, graphics cards, consoles, CARS! They are all still at a record high and raw material/component capacity hasn't increased anywhere near as much as that demand.

If, like me, you were into your musical instruments or woodworking you'd know that demand exceeding supply right now isn't limited to silicon. Some builders are really struggling due to tool shortages and record lumber pricing..

I struggle to understand how anybody can miss the almost daily headlines.

 

[Martini1991]

demand
Demand for electronics, graphics cards, consoles, CARS! They are all still at a record high and raw material/component capacity hasn't increased anywhere near as much as that demand.

I struggle to understand how anybody can miss the almost daily headlines.

So how's the factory only outputting a 10th/5th of normal capacity then?

And I can buy a CPU/RAM/SDD/Motherboard/Laptops etc all fine (And at work we've bought about 750 laptops the last 12 months)

 

[ScottiB]

So how's the factory only outputting a 10th/5th of normal capacity then?

And I can buy a CPU/RAM/SDD/Motherboard/Laptops etc all fine (And at work we've bought about 750 laptops the last 12 months)

Jesus! Really?
No you can't! There's a big CPU shortage (we've just seen a quarter's worth of stock land this month. It'll be gone again soon.
There's a RAM shortage...I'm struggling to get some boards and there's a PSU shortage too.
And the new gen of laptops has been delayed for months now

 

[Martini1991]

Jesus! Really?
No you can't! There's a big CPU shortage (we've just seen a quarter's worth of stock land this month. It'll be gone again soon.
There's a RAM shortage...I'm struggling to get some boards and there's a PSU shortage too.
And the new gen of laptops has been delayed for months now

If you've seen a quarters worth of stock arrive this month, then how can it be supply issue? (In that they're a 10th/5th supply)

And I must be imagining these CPU's at none extortionate prices then ; The Latest AMD Processors at Overclockers UK

We're talking about not being able to buy a single GPU at a price where I'm not bleeding from the backside, but yet I can buy pretty much everything else like it was a normal day?

EDIT : I know no one wants Intel, but again this stock mustn't really be there and I'm obviously reading the prices wrong considering it's only launched recently? ; ▷ Buy 11th Generation Intel® … online | OVERCLOCKERS UK

 

[Martini1991]

I don't deny that X and Y might be hard to get of certain components, but we're talking absolutely *any* GPU that's not a GT1030.

But this is where the scalpers/miners are in, which we've seen miners hammer stock before. But again, I'm specifically taking question at the 10th/5th production claim.

And I've found PSU stock to be crap for the last 5 years, so yeah.

 

[ASMB]

OcUK does buy the MBA AMD cards but under strict rules from AMD we can only use them for internal projects for internal use, we can't even use them in our SI programme, the question has been asked but I think the simple fact is AMD ship single units into the UK so the numbers are so small I doubt it could ever happen, maybe in more normal times it could be a possibility but in the present market place, zero chance.

Thank you for the answer, mainly asked because Scott said he was open to AMD looking at better ways to get cards to gamers, and he reads everything sent to him, eg

 

[ASMB]

so technically i was correct, though didnt know who was getting rich off this. as everyone returns to work production should increase and prices should fall, well thats the theory anyway, practice, well thats a different ball game all together

MSI are getting rich of this, profits have over doubled, the AIB partners aren't hurting, unless they are an AMD gpu only AIB partner. AMD gpu shipment was reported as very low in quarter 4 2020, for the release of the 6800, so yes they can claim to be down on their production figures and profits

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[Benass]

Some ppl don't understand economics.
Supply and demand. When there 100 companies bidding for your product u would be stupid not to increase price. AIB's realized that thus the bump in price.

Retailers getting the stick for it. And when retailers orders to many cards at higher prices and all mining thing crashes and fleebays gets flooded with second hand cards, then again they will get the stick.

The miners enabling the scalpers, and offsetting the balance.

 

[Gerard]

OcUK does buy the MBA AMD cards but under strict rules from AMD we can only use them for internal projects for internal use, we can't even use them in our SI programme, the question has been asked but I think the simple fact is AMD ship single units into the UK so the numbers are so small I doubt it could ever happen, maybe in more normal times it could be a possibility but in the present market place, zero chance.

So AMD are able to supply you their MBA cards but not the AMD UK store? Wtf is going on.

 

[Gibbo]

So AMD are able to supply you their MBA cards but not the AMD UK store? Wtf is going on.

Yes in single numbers and only for special projects which they make open to European customers and the last time I checked they had six cards for entire of Europe. This stock has nothing to do with their store but I know they have little to nothing available.

Nothing going on just no stock and the very little they have is for customers with special projects. Plenty of AMD cards from AIB’s in stock around U.K. and Europe.

 

[Harlequin]

Yes in single numbers and only for special projects which they make open to European customers and the last time I checked they had six cards for entire of Europe. This stock has nothing to do with their store but I know they have little to nothing available.

Nothing going on just no stock and the very little they have is for customers with special projects. Plenty of AMD cards from AIB’s in stock around U.K. and Europe.

GTX 1650/1660 , RX 560/570/580 still in channel? Could get some?

 

[McNish]

These prices are the same as what the scalpers on auction sites are selling for. So you are suggesting the GPUs that are sold on these sites are not scalped.

Customers are simply not going to believe that.

 

[Game]

I loved the arnt the countries somewhat past covid

doubtful some are getting anouther wave and spikes china included

I have had suppliers tell me this week they have no leadtimes on certain led light units for hgv trailers

they are fitted on maybe 30% of every trailer in the uk and europe

certain brake chambers for good vehicals are running out with no stock incomming this is not done with by a long streach

 

[ASMB]

So AMD are able to supply you their MBA cards but not the AMD UK store? Wtf is going on.

AMD have even managed to release the MBA with a different colour design on their other store(s), TBH I prefer the new colour

 

[Gerard]

AMD have even managed to release the MBA with a different colour design on their other store(s), TBH I prefer the new colour

Yeah the midnight black edition would be my preference as well.