Qualifications not worth the paper they are printed on.
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Because it puts you in good steed for an apprenticeship?
Mmm, if you want to be a cowboy builder, a good steed would be very handy
More accurately, they aren't enough for anything more than an entry level role. You can't just do a course and then get a job as a qualified electrician on qualified electrician pay, unless you obviously have transferable skills and experience, career changes are often going to come with associated 'start at the bottom again' compromise.
This isn't an entirely unprecedented idea - what (similar) industries out there could you bypass entry level roles in, just by getting a qualification?
Even people with degrees will generally only be getting considered for graduate level roles if they've no experience.
I remember years ago talking to a guy who had 3 degrees yet he couldn't get a job with those degrees so ended up working on a checkout at B&Q.
I think certain job areas are over saturated and qualifications are just a way to eliminate people from the application process. But now its at the stage were too many people have the highest mark.
I think certain job areas are over saturated and qualifications are just a way to eliminate people from the application process. But now its at the stage were too many people have the highest mark.
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He must be a bad interview if he has 3 degrees and can't get a job. Most graduate schemes ask for a degree, not because of what you studied, but because you should be at a minimum level of competency and general etiquette/work ethic. It wasn't till I went to Uni I learnt how to properly structure a document, do research, or reference credible sources.
It may be a surprise to you but the vast majority of folk with degrees in Geography don't go on to become weatherman/women.
With most jobs in construction industry - bricky, electrician, plumber - education is next to useless and training and practice is everything. It's kind of like driving license, you can have masters in theory but if you can't physically drive it's all for naught.
It's a shame you haven't researched it, but it's not lost yet - what you need to be an electrician is to work as an electrician. Just go to work.
It's a shame you haven't researched it, but it's not lost yet - what you need to be an electrician is to work as an electrician. Just go to work.
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All first, national and higher national diplomas are pretty much worthless.
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That one is a less good example as a lot of small employers put significant value on MS certs as it can affect their partner status and therefore the discounts they get on juicy recurring revenues like Office 365.Its like when people go on a bunch of Microsoft courses and try to walk in to a cushy IT job. Err no
Thats the only reason. But after MS raised the requirements many stopped bothering.
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What is the electrical equivalent of gas safe and does OP have that?
I don't know what he was like in interviews. He seemed ok when I met him. Though he was on the shy side.
Why would I think geography people would be a weather person?
Isn't a weather person a meteorologist?
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I had put you in the bag of folk who say degrees are pointless and need to be specific to the job you're hiring for.
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So a bit like GCSEs, A-levels, all CompTIA certs, every online course, ever...
Sometimes it seems like the one thing every employer wants, is 10 years prior experience in the role for which you are applying. Which begs the question, which came first? The experience or the job?
Sometimes it seems like the one thing every employer wants, is 10 years prior experience in the role for which you are applying. Which begs the question, which came first? The experience or the job?
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The problem with electricians is that anyone can do your grandmas kitchen... and it seems like a lot of "anybodys" do.
It's such a wide spectrum of a field. 0 to hero courses don't normally equate to much.
It's such a wide spectrum of a field. 0 to hero courses don't normally equate to much.
Its like when people go on a bunch of Microsoft courses and try to walk in to a cushy IT job. Err no
Going on bunch of Microsoft courses doesn't actually entitle you to take the exam and earn the cert. So that's why they cant walk into an cushy IT job after a bunch of courses, courses means nothing really without the MS cert to back it.
Part P, registration with a scheme - NICEIC, NAPIT, Elecsa, Stroma or similar. To registered with a scheme he'll have to do 18th edition exam, be insured and have enough knowledge to pass on-site assessment.
I did a bunch of NVQ, GNVQ, City and Guilds, HND equivalents, etc. courses - they were all the rage back then and the careers advisors seemed to have an agenda for pushing them for some reason - A levels would have been much better for me but my careers advisor flat out lied to put me off the A levels I wanted!
When I first started looking for work they were still kind of new and employers didn't really know what to make of them, now they are obsolete and most employers don't really know what to make of them - largely seem kind of useless.
I've not applied for a job in awhile but we get a ton of applications at work for any role and can pick and choose the candidates - I was on the other end of that a few years back - so many times heard something along the lines of "any other day we'd have hired you but we had so many good applicants we could pick someone exactly suited to the job", etc.
When I first started looking for work they were still kind of new and employers didn't really know what to make of them, now they are obsolete and most employers don't really know what to make of them - largely seem kind of useless.
I've not applied for a job in awhile but we get a ton of applications at work for any role and can pick and choose the candidates - I was on the other end of that a few years back - so many times heard something along the lines of "any other day we'd have hired you but we had so many good applicants we could pick someone exactly suited to the job", etc.
No. I think being able to attain a degree is an amazing personal achievement.
I was making the point that in the 90s when manual labour jobs dropped out of fashion and everyone started going to higher education that now there are too many people with degrees going for the same job. That isn't a reflection on the people getting those degrees. They have earned it and put years of hard work in.
I'm more commenting on the state of the job market. When candidates with degrees were a rare thing it meant that when they applied for a job they would get it. But these days the higher number of candidates with degrees it makes them less valuable in the job hunting process.