*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

Haze said:
I have never used the app store, why would I? Absolutely nothing on it I would want?
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THIS.

the app store is crap.

I dont think you can even download steam, epic or ea origin from it from the last time i browsed it.

Also cant download adobe creative cloud and a 1000 more software i use/play around with on it.

I just end up googling the software i need and install it through there website.

The news about having package installs like linux is a godsend and cant WAIT for that to come in windows 11
 
I suppose the question is, is this the Sun Valley stuff which I presumed was just another refresh of Windows 10 or is it a replacement for Windows 10?
 
It's the next big Windows OS. They mentioned it recently saying it is the biggest change to Windows to date. It includes Sun Valley.
 
Either way I hope it is some meaningful changes. Windows 10 is increasingly clown car like with bits bolted on all over, comedy failures, etc. only it isn't funny from an end user POV.
 
Bouton Aide said:
Windows 10 21H2 'Sun Valley' Update Release Date & Features (techadvisor.com)
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Urgh

Another UI redesign that won't be carried out across the board (how many old Win32 dialog boxes are still in Windows 10? Why do we still have control panel etc)

Honestly rather than trying to compete with Apple for a whose GUI is nicest (which let's face it Windows will always lose at), rip out all the UWP stuff (that was essentially designed for Phone and Tablet scaling), and give us a decent version of Windows that just uses the standard Win32 libraries to provide a consistent gui (like Windows 7 and earlier always managed)


Only good thing from that link I can see is:
"Ability to uninstall system apps
Windows 10 always comes with a wide range of system apps, but many can't be uninstalled. That looks set to change, with Zac Bowden at Windows Central suggesting the number of apps that can be uninstalled is will 'grow significantly'. It's not clear which these will include, though. "
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They had spoken of doing away with live tiles but I've just got used to having a rather nice full screen start menu on a laptop and live tiles are really nice for some things. The 'winget' package manager will be a nice addition and WSL was a decent addition for developers with it enabling better Docker Desktop. Some of the changes have really shown they're thinking about the kind of people using it to improve productivity rather than when they project how they'd like it to look and filling it with bloat ware like 3D Paint etc. They probably should come up with some add-on packs where they can group app collections that are targeted towards different audiences and let them pick and choose to install them. Keep the OS nice and lean rather than killing it with some Aero feature.
 
Armageus said:
Urgh

Another UI redesign that won't be carried out across the board (how many old Win32 dialog boxes are still in Windows 10? Why do we still have control panel etc)

Honestly rather than trying to compete with Apple for a whose GUI is nicest (which let's face it Windows will always lose at), rip out all the UWP stuff (that was essentially designed for Phone and Tablet scaling), and give us a decent version of Windows that just uses the standard Win32 libraries to provide a consistent gui (like Windows 7 and earlier always managed)


Only good thing from that link I can see is:
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Microsoft really has crap UI designers. Let alone no visionaries. We're still seeing the same tarted up stuff since Windows 95/98.
 
V F said:
Let alone no visionaries.
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I think this is one of the things which is hurting them the most. It is kind of painful though to see them increasingly stumbling over issues which were well understood as far back as stuff like Windows 3.1 though.

thenewoc said:
They had spoken of doing away with live tiles but I've just got used to having a rather nice full screen start menu on a laptop and live tiles are really nice for some things. The 'winget' package manager will be a nice addition and WSL was a decent addition for developers with it enabling better Docker Desktop. Some of the changes have really shown they're thinking about the kind of people using it to improve productivity rather than when they project how they'd like it to look and filling it with bloat ware like 3D Paint etc. They probably should come up with some add-on packs where they can group app collections that are targeted towards different audiences and let them pick and choose to install them. Keep the OS nice and lean rather than killing it with some Aero feature.
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Being able to use the Start Menu kind of like a mini home screen IMO is one of the advantages over Windows 7 but the implementation is laughable - how have we got to 2021 and there are still no proper group management features for it let alone proper visual customisation options.
 
Rroff said:
I think this is one of the things which is hurting them the most. It is kind of painful though to see them increasingly stumbling over issues which were well understood as far back as stuff like Windows 3.1 though.



Being able to use the Start Menu kind of like a mini home screen IMO is one of the advantages over Windows 7 but the implementation is laughable - how have we got to 2021 and there are still no proper group management features for it let alone proper visual customisation options.
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Group management is a bit manual, but yeah it should be a fully customisable affair. My old start menu had folders etc and whilst I can see those folders on the current all apps list on Start, you cannot cusatomise them in any way, not even rename them for example so the only way to change anything on or in them is to browse to the start menu folder within Explorer and then change whatever. This is a pro user method and not something any everyday user will know how to do.

My start menu currently looks like this

 
mrk said:
Group management is a bit manual, but yeah it should be a fully customisable affair. My old start menu had folders etc and whilst I can see those folders on the current all apps list on Start, you cannot cusatomise them in any way, not even rename them for example so the only way to change anything on or in them is to browse to the start menu folder within Explorer and then change whatever. This is a pro user method and not something any everyday user will know how to do.

My start menu currently looks like this

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As much as anything I was meaning the tiles on the right - though the same criticism extends to the rest of it. There is no easy way to perform a full range of group actions on them - even Program Manager in Windows 3 had a full range of features there, better customisation and more complementary design elements and features. I think whoever worked on Windows 3.x would probably laugh themselves into an early grave at the Start Menu implementation in 10.
 
Rroff said:
I think this is one of the things which is hurting them the most. It is kind of painful though to see them increasingly stumbling over issues which were well understood as far back as stuff like Windows 3.1 though.
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They had to contract the Iconfactory for their stuff back then.
https://design.iconfactory.com/microsoft-windows-xp/
https://design.iconfactory.com/microsoft-windows-vista-icon-suite/

Over at Apple they hired this guy and if I remember correctly, he still works for Apple.
http://rade8.com/
https://www.deviantart.com/rade8
 
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