Tories lost the 2019 election among working age adults

200sols said:
Labours route back to power - deny retirees the vote? Pathetic.
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why do you think it's anything about getting labour in power? I'm not convinced labour would be any different to tories tbh

do retired people kicking it back really have all that much invested in the country any more apart from their own financial interests?
Why shouldn't a working age vote be worth more?
 
adolf hamster said:
It's not an unreasonable assumption, everybody else is greedy, altruism is not a common trait when it's applied to people outside our immediate sphere.
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Well I don't think that's true, the vast majority of people are not that bad. Older people, particularly retirees have very little to gain financially, from any government. Older people can be better off from the simple fact that they spent a lot longer getting paid when they were working.
 
arknor said:
why do you think it's anything about getting labour in power? I'm not convinced labour would be any different to tories tbh

do retired people kicking it back really have all that much invested in the country any more apart from their own financial interests?
Why shouldn't a working age vote be worth more?
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You see there you go again assuming everyone thinks the way you do.
It could be that they just think a different approach is the best way forward, the left and remainers just can't get to grips with this possibility. People don't agree with you and hence don't vote the same way as you because they think it will achieve the best outcome towards what you say you would like to achieve.
 
arknor said:
why do you think it's anything about getting labour in power? I'm not convinced labour would be any different to tories tbh

do retired people kicking it back really have all that much invested in the country any more apart from their own financial interests?
Why shouldn't a working age vote be worth more?
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An awful lot of working age people are pretty clueless, sit at home and vote for whoever promises them the most benefits.

How are they worth more than a lifelong worker who has paid thousands in tax and contributed much more to society?
 
Slam62 said:
You see there you go again assuming everyone thinks the way you do.
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It was a question for peoples opinions not a statement.
I'm merely curious

robfosters said:
An awful lot of working age people are pretty clueless, sit at home and vote for whoever promises them the most benefits.

How are they worth more than a lifelong worker who has paid thousands in tax and contributed much more to society?
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True with both points I guess.

does any generation/age group really get to shape the future at all? it's just a big illusion really and people in power will do what they like regardless? it's not the voters that are broken but the system?

Votes only count, until they have been counted right? and people don't have 5 year memories it seems
 
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dLockers said:
Maybe they're just older and wiser and the younglins should just get with the picture?
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You're really missing the point of the thread nd my posts.

I'm not saying old people are wrong.

I'm suggesting that it could be bad that the government only appeals to the old. It's logical such a situation means the government is likely to pursue strategies in line with their grey mandate, and it's hard to see how that's of long term benefit to the country.

Kicking the environmental can down the road, for example, is a short term strategy. Policy to increase house prices (by restricting supply/building) is a short term strategy.

I don't blame old people for having different views and values to the young, but it's surely worrisome that it drives the country's direction.
 
cheesyboy said:
You're really missing the point of the thread nd my posts.

I'm not saying old people are wrong.

I'm suggesting that it could be bad that the government only appeals to the old. It's logical such a situation means the government is likely to pursue strategies in line with their grey mandate, and it's hard to see how that's of long term benefit to the country.

Kicking the environmental can down the road, for example, is a short term strategy. Policy to increase house prices (by restricting supply/building) is a short term strategy.

I don't blame old people for having different views and values to the young, but it's surely worrisome that it drives the country's direction.
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Lib Dems tried the student/woke vote but turned out incompetent. Labour tried the factory workers vote (hurr durr Labour) and turned out incompetent.

Hopefully these old people have kids and aren't just looking at increasing their pension.
 
Its obviously not as simple as old versus young, working versus retired, that's always just been a justification for not accepting the outcome of a vote. If the left, woke, losers continue making excuses they will never win a vote to get power.
At the end of the day should we dissenfranchise a group maybe then round them all up to live in a particular neighbourhood, maybe confiscate their wealth. In the end the final solution, euthanasia. Its for the greater good.
 
adolf hamster said:
It's human nature to want to improve things for themselves and the people they know.

Getting them to do something for the benefit of someone they don't know? Now that's hard.
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It really isn't, look at things like children in need, live aid etc.
People for the most part really do want what's best for humanity. The fact that you think they don't probably reflects the circles you move in or the media you read.
 
Stumble Bum said:
Always makes me laugh when people complain that older people tend to vote Tory. What is it that the Conservatives are doing that the likes of Labour are so incapable of doing??

One vote per person, can't get fairer than that.
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FPTP takes away some of that fairness... in fairness.
 
Young people forget that one day they will be old people, and old people were once young people. When you're old why do you suppose you will be doing anything different...
 
arknor said:
. . . they don't do a whole lot in that 5 years
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any party ever stood by their mandate? . . .
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I simply can't imagine why no Government has ever passed legislation making delivering on manifesto commitments subject to the same laws as covered by the Trades Description Act and required to meet the requirements of the Advertising Standards Authority :cry:
 
Slam62 said:
It really isn't, look at things like children in need, live aid etc.
People for the most part really do want what's best for humanity. The fact that you think they don't probably reflects the circles you move in or the media you read.
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Something people do to make themselves feel good, like they're making a difference. Yet when you raise the stakes from donating enough change to buy a single cup of coffee to actually doing something serious like forgoing having your own kids in favour of adoption, or actually going to a deprived country to build a school you'll see far fewer takers.

It's curious how people like bill gates become major philanthropers after they've made their millions.

Perhaps i may have a pessimistic outlook (from my view it's realistic) but i'm not ashamed to admit my failings are exactly the same as the rest of humanity.
 
dLockers said:
Lib Dems tried the student/woke vote but turned out incompetent. Labour tried the factory workers vote (hurr durr Labour) and turned out incompetent.

Hopefully these old people have kids and aren't just looking at increasing their pension.
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Bro, did you see the first post?

We're talking ALL working age-groups who voted against the Tories. Not students or "woke vote"
 
cheesyboy said:
Interesting stat that's been knocking around for the last day or two. It feels to compliment, and perhaps provide context to, the "highest ever working household poverty" thread

It seems that the will of the old and economically inactive is what really matters in UK politics now.
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Why have you thrown in the economically inactive - that isn't what you've shown here, you've just shown the old(retired).

There are plenty more economically inactive among the working-age population too, they're not just old people. Think about the jobseekers, the housewives/husbands, the disabled who don't work and indeed anyone else not currently working.
 
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