TTL Rightfully Calling Out Retailers Price Gouging

[Farzlepot]

I'm genuinely intrigued, how do you believe they're supposed to be able to sell them at RRP when they have to pay well over £500 to get them on the shelf in the first place?

People getting mad at retailers not selling cards below cost is lol, super lol when other retailers are straight up profiteering.

I don't expect them to sell the 2060 at RRP, and I didn't say that they should.

Other retailers seem to be flogging similar cards closer to the £3/499 mark or somewhere in-between, though, and the original assertion was that the OP had never seen OCUK sell a card for a "bad price".

 

[Reality|Bites]

Which games do you want to play that actually need a 30 series card? if you have any how many?
Get some perspective on the situation.
I do feel sorry for the 2080Ti owners that sold up early though when they heard about the 3070.

 

[Farzlepot]

Which games do you want to play that actually need a 30 series card?

Several, but that's beyond irrelevant.

 

[Reality|Bites]

Is it? why? We are grown men moaning about grown up toys aren't we? just put the money away for when the 4080Ti or maybe even 5080Ti comes out.
I only tend to buy a new card every 5 years or so...now, I used to buy every new gen card when the max price for the halo card was £400 though.

 

[McGraw]

Taking a week off work is not an option for everyone. That’s some sacrifice to buy a graphics card.

Did a load of decorating at the same time. Ended up seeing a drop in the queue at B&q

 

[McGraw]

Which games do you want to play that actually need a 30 series card? if you have any how many?
Get some perspective on the situation.
I do feel sorry for the 2080Ti owners that sold up early though when they heard about the 3070.

Why? Surely they didn’t need a 2080ti by your logic. They normalised nvidia’s ridiculous pricing and hoped to profit from unsuspecting buyers.

 

[Reality|Bites]

is my logic wrong? IN an average month how many different games do you play that would justify the out lay for the card?
Do you use the same thought process for any other purchases in your life?

 

[Hedge]

is my logic wrong? IN an average month how many different games do you play that would justify the out lay for the card?
Do you use the same thought process for any other purchases in your life?

You will struggle to get a reasonable response from most people. They are strangely passionate about an ability to play a computer game. I was hooked on Dota2 (4k+ hours), when I stopped playing I just did other stuff and didn't go into meltdown.

If I couldn't get a graphics card I wouldn't start insisting that retailers respond to my demands and sell products in a way that I feel comfortable with. I'd just get on with my life.

We should have a thread to actually see what the moaning people own already.

 

[CrazyGreggy]

I have a number of games I would like to play but can't because my ageing rig contains a 980 non-Ti. I run Foundry VTT when I DM an online D&D game and it runs rather slowly during combat when 6 players are connected to it, so it's not that I've got the games, it's that I haven't even bought them because I know damn well my system won't run it.

Yes, we are talking about leisure activity gear just like athletics wear, or football boots, or fishing tackle, or a parachute, or a motorbike. The sneering use of the word "toy" seems intended to denigrate the core argument that the market for a particular consumer product is currently ****** 6 ways from Sunday and that for some of us our hobby is on hold. Now I don't know about you, but I work to be able to afford to live, and living includes hobbies and the things I want to do both with and without my other half.

 

[daman2k]

I do feel sorry for the 2080Ti owners that sold up early though when they heard about the 3070.

I don't, they tried to offload their cards to unsuspecting people and ended up getting screwed. Way it goes.

 

[rebirth]

You will struggle to get a reasonable response from most people. They are strangely passionate about an ability to play a computer game. I was hooked on Dota2 (4k+ hours), when I stopped playing I just did other stuff and didn't go into meltdown.

If I couldn't get a graphics card I wouldn't start insisting that retailers respond to my demands and sell products in a way that I feel comfortable with. I'd just get on with my life.

We should have a thread to actually see what the moaning people own already.

Exactly, if people feel they're being ripped off, as they are, then they should take their money elsewhere. At the end of the day that is all the retailers care about.

 

[XeNoNF50]

Can the Xbox or PS5 run all the Windows apps I use outside of gaming?
Can they use all the peripherals, too?
Can they make use of the decent flight sim and driving sim kit?
Can they run top end VR headsets?

Serious questions, though I've already guessed at the answer.
I'm also curious to hear your views on the differences between KB&M vs controller, and why you'd think I'd be better off with the latter, especially in game types that use mouse so much, like strategy and MMO.
Sell me on this....

Quite a bit to unpack here but you and I are the niche and the majority of people aren't bothered about most of the things you listed.

I do however find it funny people spending £1k+ on graphics cards within a £2k+ system build to get max detailed graphics in their games only to pair it with a £200-800 edge lit monitor. Unless you've got a full array local dimming hdr1000 high refresh 4k or ultrawide monitor (~£2k) or oled / full array qled TV (~£1k) you're getting a significantly sub standard visual experience for gaming when compared to the oled console crew regardless of how much you're maxing the game out.

In terms of how you'd do Windows apps, same equation as the message you responded to except + a £500 Ryzen laptop to the oled/console equation and you're still looking at less than a full custom system build with an msrp 3080 and a basic edge lit high refresh monitor.

 

[Farzlepot]

is my logic wrong? IN an average month how many different games do you play that would justify the out lay for the card?
Do you use the same thought process for any other purchases in your life?

Your logic is, indeed, wrong.

I took issue with the claim that OCUK had never sold a card for a 'bad price'.

My argument was that £600 for a last-gen, budget card was a 'bad price', and OCUK is still selling that card for that price. Other retailers are selling similar cards for a hundred quid less at least.

Rather than address whether or not that was a 'bad price', you instead queried whether or not I even needed the card in the first place.

That has no bearing on whether the price is 'bad' or not - the price is bad. What I may or may not need it for is completely irrelevant.

£600 is a nonsense price for a standard 2060, regardless of the state of the GPU market right now. That's why they're still showing stock levels of "10+ available" after a week or more, despite how difficult it is to buy any graphics card outside of the 16XX series - nobody sane will buy it from them for that price.

Whether they 'need it' in your view or not.

And your view is also nonsense.

 

[Dalandius]

Supply and Demand. Everyone in the chain is making bank mark up because Demand > Supply. If you don't like the prices then don't buy it. If I had a 700 part and realised I could sell every single 700 part at 1200 instantly then I'd sell it at 1200.

The publicly traded corporation that is legally required to serve its Shareholders interests and maximise the money they take from you gives absolutely zero ***** about you. You should reciprocate.

Publicly traded corporation are not legally required to maximise the money they take from you and the idea that they do is utterly false!

Here is an interesting article about how corporations don’t have to maximize profits.

 

[Wayne_1994]

Farzleplot I agree with you 100%.

The only people on these forums who say "OCuk has never sold a GPU at a bad price" are the people with thousands of posts.

Either:
a) They haven't checked recently.
or
b) Haven't been able to check. ---> No one can check OCuk GPU prices because there are none. (Unless you're fast enough to get a card into your basket before it sells out)! (In other words you only have a few seconds to catch a price in week to a month or more timeframe for a particular SKU), so how can anyone (especially those with 1000's of posts NOT be aware that there haven't been any OCuk visible GPU prices for so long? That's difficult to believe!

The mere fact that anyone who even "hints" at the pricing elsewhere in the market receives an automatic suspension says it all -- if OCuk was genuinely the only retailer to [never have scalped a card] OR IF [their prices were really the best] then they would be able to stand on their own merit! (They wouldn't need a legion of moderators standing by to ban/warn or suspend anyone who talks about OCuk's competitors).

These forums are all words (text only) and internet data (bandwidth) is unlimited on even the cheapest of UK internet deals; so the notion that free speech should be denied to thousands of people so a select few don't have to be as competitive -- well I'm sorry but that notion is completely and utterly ludicrous.

Lastly; If OCuk offered a 'price promise' there would be absolutely NO need for moderators to ban people for simply talking about other players in the market. (The price promise itself would be the "pride of OCuk").

I'll note here that I have been careful to make sure I have not mentioned any competitors in this post. But that still hasn't stopped me from obeying the rules while still posting a genuine heartfelt post about how I personally feel about the situation. See... you can't control people with force by threatening to "end" them in a free country like the UK where we enjoy free speech and free competition. (Such behaviour only causes damage to reputation by inciting people to write posts like this).

 

[Freddie1980]

I do feel sorry for the 2080Ti owners that sold up early though when they heard about the 3070.

I don't. If you were daft enough to buy a 2080Ti in the first place then selling it as soon as a bunch of new cards are launched then as the saying goes there's no help some people.

 

[Wayne_1994]

I don't. If you were daft enough to buy a 2080Ti in the first place then selling it as soon as a bunch of new cards are launched then as the saying goes there's no help some people.

I never had a 20 series.

My last card was a 1080 Ti which cost £699 and was an EVGA.

And I still have it In fact I'm talking to you by using it now.

 

[Dicehunter]

You've never seen bad prices on overclockers?

I didn't actually think retailers had fan-boys!

Guess I was wrong!

No you're misunderstanding, Relax, I've never personally seen the prices for 3070's, 80's or 90's on OCUK's store so I cannot comment on any type of bad pricing when it comes to these GPU's.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I never had a 20 series.

My last card was a 1080 Ti which cost £699 and was an EVGA.

And I still have it In fact I'm talking to you by using it now.

Some semantics are missing here, the 1080Ti was a strong card and gave you awesome performance for its price point. The reason you and many others never moved off it was because Turing offered a poor improvement, and apart from raytracing being its selling point, it was a complete rip-off.

They later threw in the Supers which were better value but that gen the damage had already been done. Another contributing factor to why everyone is going insane over an Ampere card was due to what I just mentioned, you had thousands of users wanting to upgrade from pascal - hence in Jensens key notes etc "yes my pascal friends" you can upgrade!...

 

[hyperseven]

I'm genuinely intrigued, how do you believe they're supposed to be able to sell them at RRP when they have to pay well over £500 to get them on the shelf in the first place?

People getting mad at retailers not selling cards below cost is lol, super lol when other retailers are straight up profiteering.

how do you know what they are paying, have you seen the invoices?