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I wonder if postal voting should be the default.
Tories lost the 2019 election among working age adults
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It has to go agreed.
The funds simply won't be there.
But all the parties will be in the same boat.
It's why the recent triple lock is so cruel. More you give now the bigger the cliff edge will be later.
Issue will be how do you stop everyone in the middle just burning all thier wealth to get to the 'state funded'. Because if you take to much away it will be that middle who get boned.
Should be an app
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Interesting, I wonder if people who are apathetic they could choose to be pooled into another option. Like 'anyone but this party', or 'same vote as my age group'.
I totally get why people vote. I don't really want to vote. But I know feel I have to. I should vote. I have to vote for the least bad party.
Having to vote for someone you disagree with least isn't appealing.
Also, knowing your vote doesn't matter (living in a safe seat) further dissuades you.
I think it's totally valid to not vote. Because our system is garbage. And although it's dangerous viewpoint , perhaps it is the only way to envoke real change
Having to vote for someone you disagree with least isn't appealing.
Also, knowing your vote doesn't matter (living in a safe seat) further dissuades you.
I think it's totally valid to not vote. Because our system is garbage. And although it's dangerous viewpoint , perhaps it is the only way to envoke real change
That would skew to the younger demographics.
I have a phone that does not do apps. Is rarely on my person, just used for recieving messages and answer machine duties.
I don't mean exclusively by app. But it should be an option for all voters.That would skew to the younger demographics.
I have a phone that does not do apps. Is rarely on my person, just used for recieving messages and answer machine duties.
As you say, it might help youth turnout so I wonder how much appetite there would be for it...
I'd appsolutely sign up to this
I'd be a bit worried about using an app what with the possibility of it being hacked or abused IMO. It'd need to tie in to a photo-ID or something too.That would skew to the younger demographics.
I have a phone that does not do apps. Is rarely on my person, just used for recieving messages and answer machine duties.
Done right I suppose it's a complementary option but I don't trust the government to deliver secure and robust IT projects. You should have to get off your bum IMO and that's it - postal votes only in exceptional circumstances given how open to abuse those are too.
I 100% agree there needs to be an app. It would need to be an alternative method to in-person / the postal vote for a few years. Then we can phase out the antiquated voting methods over time to be fully digital.
I find it funny how long it took to count the US election results and how much labour it took to count it all. If it were all digital it could have been called in seconds after the votes closed
I find it funny how long it took to count the US election results and how much labour it took to count it all. If it were all digital it could have been called in seconds after the votes closed
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I 100% agree there needs to be an app. It would need to be an alternative method to in-person / the postal vote for a few years. Then we can phase out the antiquated voting methods over time to be fully digital.
I find it funny how long it took to count the US election results and how much labour it took to count it all. If it were all digital it could have been called in seconds after the votes closed
I doubt the Republicans/Conservatives would ever
Online voting/app would certainly get my vote (Pun intended) and be an improvement and can't see any issues with our government pushing for that, although it would need to be staged such that the older methods are removed over time..
However, saying all that, this entire subject has only come up because some cry babies can't accept the outcome of the last couple of GE's and are just salty/acting all entitled..
The retired population has always been there, and who knows, in the next GE or one after that they may well align with the younger vote again.
The issue with crying about it unnecessarily is it's quite easy to start an argument for making any demographic less relevant, but that's not conducive to democracy now is it..
You also know that whilst now the whiners feel a digital vote method would favour them and are already saying how the evil tories won't let this happen would be the very first to claim voter fraud themselves if future 'digital' elections didn't go their way and start pulling up skewed stats to try to marginalise entire demographic groups that they can 'blame' for the incorrect outcome..
However, saying all that, this entire subject has only come up because some cry babies can't accept the outcome of the last couple of GE's and are just salty/acting all entitled..
The retired population has always been there, and who knows, in the next GE or one after that they may well align with the younger vote again.
The issue with crying about it unnecessarily is it's quite easy to start an argument for making any demographic less relevant, but that's not conducive to democracy now is it..
You also know that whilst now the whiners feel a digital vote method would favour them and are already saying how the evil tories won't let this happen would be the very first to claim voter fraud themselves if future 'digital' elections didn't go their way and start pulling up skewed stats to try to marginalise entire demographic groups that they can 'blame' for the incorrect outcome..
Because governments know pensioners decide elections, any cut backs on pension spending are aimed at reducing for future generations, such as raising retirement age and pushing people towards private pension pots.
I dont think there is really an obvious solution other than changing the voting system and getting younger people to vote more in elections, because if we ever get to the point pensioners are no longer everything at an election, then governance decisions may change.
It isnt just age differences, its also tory safe seats vs labour safe seats, marginal seats etc., marginal seats tend to do well with focus from parties as the parties know those are the battlegrounds.
For me the first step in all this is to move to PR, but our powers that be are heavily resisting it.
I dont think there is really an obvious solution other than changing the voting system and getting younger people to vote more in elections, because if we ever get to the point pensioners are no longer everything at an election, then governance decisions may change.
It isnt just age differences, its also tory safe seats vs labour safe seats, marginal seats etc., marginal seats tend to do well with focus from parties as the parties know those are the battlegrounds.
For me the first step in all this is to move to PR, but our powers that be are heavily resisting it.
If so many of the youth of today can't be bothered to register to vote using the current GOV.UK website then why would you think that they suddenly might be eager to register over an app instead, which would require the same level of effort as the website they could (but don't) currently use?
The big benefit would be that, if they can be bothered to register (something many currently don't do) then the actual voting process might be easier rather than going to a polling station. However the problem yet again isn't that voting is too hard currently, it's that lots of people are either happy to go with the flow, just don't care or can't be bothered so developing "an app" costing millions and ensuring it's secure just won't change enough of the non-voters into being voters to make the whole thing worthwhile.
I 100% agree there needs to be an app. It would need to be an alternative method to in-person / the postal vote for a few years. Then we can phase out the antiquated voting methods over time to be fully digital.
I find it funny how long it took to count the US election results and how much labour it took to count it all. If it were all digital it could have been called in seconds after the votes closed
Thats a security feature.
It takes ages and massive amounts of labour.
So trying to influence it maliciously is almost impossible because of the scale.
Digital systems don't have this a very limited number of people are involved in a very closed, very technical process
50,000,000 pieces of paper on the other hand would be hard to influence without having to involve haulage
Because old people think "an app" automatically makes something popular with people younger than them.
But why would the politicians change anything? You don't vote, therefore you are invisible and powerless. Those who disagree with you won't care. Those you might support don't know you exist because you have no voice in the system. Therefore, nothing will change.
If enough people don't vote fringe parties get in. And they do know. They k ow the proportion of non voters.
Maybe if that demographic gets big enough it will be an appealing target for a party.
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Prob not the right place to discuss politics, but FWIW the whole system is bad. If you can afford to run, then you're not fit to represent the electorate.
But as long as we can all afford new PCs, then... it's OK, I guess?
But as long as we can all afford new PCs, then... it's OK, I guess?
An interesting idea. The 2001 general election had the lowest overall turnout since 1945 (59.4%) but, strangely, the party that won wasn't a fringe party.