23mph in 20 zone :(

[Rroff]

Talking about 20 MPH... there seems to be 3 vehicles that regularly do a Sunday evening/night run along the same road which do 20 MPH in a 30, 35-38 everywhere else (which is mostly NSL), I'm guessing having left the same place at about the same time they are spaced 100-300 yards apart so most nights getting past one doesn't gain you much - seriously need to hand their licenses in.

First one tonight at one point left a huge stink of weed in their wake as well :s managed to get past them tonight but I'm not proud of the overtaking

 

[Captain]

What if a child ran out in to the road op? 20 zones are 20 for a reason.

How much extra damage will be caused if you hit someone at 23mph instead of 20?

 

[Greebo]

How much extra damage will be caused if you hit someone at 23mph instead of 20?

Well since your stopping distance is around 3.5m shorter at 20mph then perhaps you woulnd't hit the child at all?

In studies its been shown deaths dropped by 63% in areas reduced from 30mph to 20mph and injuries dropped by 15% but difficult to know how many the 3mph would make but it would certainly be more than 0.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

How much extra damage will be caused if you hit someone at 23mph instead of 20?

Whilst I understand where you're trying to go on this, the reality is that there's a need to have a simple to understand and defined limit.
After that, it's whether we consider it a free for all or not.
Unfortunately, too many of the drivers on the road seem to fall into the "lemming" mindset, and will follow the car infront, regardless of what speed it's doing. The implications being that some of us need to try a "set an example" by following the rules. Otherwise, the roads will simply become more anarchic in how they're used.

 

[Alex_6n2]

I'm surprised there isn't a warrant for your arrest to be honest.

Good thing the holier than thou ocuk forum brigade are out in force to let you know you just how much of a rampaging homicidal maniac you are, and how you should give up your driving license for having the NERVE to break a speed limit... Something they have definitely never ever done, ever, probably, ever.

lolol

 

[theone8181]

How much extra damage will be caused if you hit someone at 23mph instead of 20?

The problem is if an artic hits someone it doesn't matter what speed, its going to kill a child.

 

[Nasher]

Same with many of the SUVs I suspect. Its not the speed its the momentum.

 

[Haggisman]

Whilst I understand where you're trying to go on this, the reality is that there's a need to have a simple to understand and defined limit.
After that, it's whether we consider it a free for all or not.
Unfortunately, too many of the drivers on the road seem to fall into the "lemming" mindset, and will follow the car infront, regardless of what speed it's doing. The implications being that some of us need to try a "set an example" by following the rules. Otherwise, the roads will simply become more anarchic in how they're used.

Yup, sadly, the reason behind these 20 mph zones that most drivers are unable to engage their brain and drive to the conditions, and will simply see the limit as a target. 30 mph is too fast for a narrow residential road outside a school at 8.30 am with poor visibility due to cars parked on either side (based on some of the roads around here, so is 20!). A few hours later, there are no kids around, and visibility is great; most of the parked cars have moved because people have gone to work - the conditions are completely different. It would be lovely if everyone had the common sense to adjust their driving based on this, but unfortunately we need to cater for the lowest denominator.

 

[MikeTheNative]

Where I live got made 20 last year, it felt really slow at first but used to it now. There's still a few people who sit right on your bumper when doing the limit.

 

[Spleen Sauce]

Where I live got made 20 last year, it felt really slow at first but used to it now. There's still a few people who sit right on your bumper when doing the limit.

And when people do that I’ve a terrible habit of slowing down even more.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

And when people do that I’ve a terrible habit of slowing down even more.

as of course we should, to ensure that we have additional breaking/response time allowance to partially cater for the pleb following

 

[Burnsy2023]

Got done for 22 in a 20 so they do clamp down on it.

From which force area out of curiosity?

 

[hyperseven]

The problem is if an artic hits someone it doesn't matter what speed, its going to kill a child.

No it won't

 

[Rroff]

No it won't

Kid goes under the wheels of an arctic won't matter much what speed they were doing :s impressive how quickly some of them can emergency brake with the latest systems though.

 

[hyperseven]

Kid goes under the wheels of an arctic won't matter much what speed they were doing :s impressive how quickly some of them can emergency brake with the latest systems though.

They said any speed and did not say how they was hit

 

[theone8181]

No it won't

Fine then 5mph+, happy. Quick calc puts a 5mph artic impact at similar energy to an suv at 20-25mph.

 

[Nasher]

Maybe we should have vehicle type related speed limits

 

[tom_e]

How much extra damage will be caused if you hit someone at 23mph instead of 20?

I don't know about extra damage but the extra stopping distance for a small increase is surprising, they went through it on my speed awareness course.

 

[Meridian]

I don't know about extra damage but the extra stopping distance for a small increase is surprising, they went through it on my speed awareness course.

Impact energy and stopping distance go up as the square of the speed. So the braking curve is also quadratic - most of the braking happens late on. I think my SAC instructor was a little disconcerted how I could do the calculations in my head... So was I actually, at my age.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Speed limiter set to 22mph, problem solved.