More GPU price increases!

purplesky · 11 Sep 2021 at 11:24

Globalisation is winding down. Prices are going up. I fully expect high end graphics cards to be retailing for around £6k - £8k inside 12 months. Real inflation (not the Bank of England fake/lie inflation) is already running at between 10% - 15%, and unless interest rates start to rise, this is only going to get worse until a hyperinflationary collapse happens. Unfortunately, at this point, the majority of ordinary people will be dead from starvation. Just when we get to this point is unknown, but graphics card prices will be the least of your worries.

newuser · 11 Sep 2021 at 12:03

purplesky said:
Globalisation is winding down. Prices are going up. I fully expect high end graphics cards to be retailing for around £6k - £8k inside 12 months. Real inflation (not the Bank of England fake/lie inflation) is already running at between 10% - 15%, and unless interest rates start to rise, this is only going to get worse until a hyperinflationary collapse happens. Unfortunately, at this point, the majority of ordinary people will be dead from starvation. Just when we get to this point is unknown, but graphics card prices will be the least of your worries.

Will there be zombies? God, I hope there are zombies...

ASMB · 11 Sep 2021 at 12:50

Sarge2255 said:
The PS5 issue for me is bad , still had not bagged one and there have been plenty of restocks. Sony are loving the situation so I'm sure they will drag it out as far as possible.

Apparently likely to be supply issues for at least another year, this shortage obviously also impacts on gpu production, PS5 and Xbox Series X stock shortages could last till 2023 say Toshiba | Metro News

gpuerrilla · 11 Sep 2021 at 13:49

newuser said:
Will there be zombies? God, I hope there are zombies...

They will be the gamers.. when the power goes off.

humbug · 11 Sep 2021 at 13:51

arc@css said:
So glad I bought a GT1030.

And only £280

gpuerrilla · 11 Sep 2021 at 13:54

humbug said:
And only £280

Oof.

CuriousTomCat · 11 Sep 2021 at 14:03

The 1030 is so overrated and overpriced

arc@css · 11 Sep 2021 at 14:29

humbug said:
And only £280

Nah, I got mine at a bargain price of £249.99.

gpuerrilla · 11 Sep 2021 at 15:42

I remember when it was £69.99

newuser · 11 Sep 2021 at 15:51

Th0nt said:
They will be the gamers.. when the power goes off.

Or the Doritos run out :eek:

CuriousTomCat · 11 Sep 2021 at 15:59

Th0nt said:
I remember when it was £69.99

Still overpriced in my opinion. I bought a used 2Gb Radeon 5850 Toxic Edition for £18 several months ago at the peak of the GPU crises. Its much faster than a 1030. There are lots of used GPUs faster and cheaper than a 1030 in fact so I've no idea why people buy them for playing games.

I'm currently playing Tomb Raider (2013) at 1440p high settings and it's smooth as butter.

I'm not giving in to these insane prices so going to wait a year or two.

KeanuIsLife · 11 Sep 2021 at 16:02

Grim5 said:
Its hard to predict.

Within 5 minutes of googling I'll be able to find quotes from executives at tech companies stating the following:

"the shortage will last until q2 2021"
"the shortage will last until early 2022"
"the shortage will last until mid 2022"
"the shortage will last until the end of 2022"
"the shortage will last until 2023" - this most recent quote is from Sony, discussing Playstation 5 stock

Yeah haha basically nobody knows anything

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2021 at 16:04

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/apple...just-2-amd-by-5-rest-by-20-at-tsmc-foundries/

Courtesy of the semiconductor shortages, foundry prices have been on the rise. Both TSMC and Samsung are planning to increase their advanced manufacturing costs by up to 20%. Many outlets (including us) thought that this was push up consumer electronic prices in the coming months, but it looks like that won’t be the case. According to reports from Asian outlets, mature processes (such as 7nm, 10nm, 14nm) are getting much more expensive (=20%). Advanced nodes, on the other hand, (5nm) are being let off with a relatively minor hike (=10%), likely because they’re already insanely expensive.

However, the price increase won’t be uniform across the board. Long-term clients such as Apple and AMD will be getting preferential treatment. This makes sense as the 5nm node used by Apple is crazy expensive, while AMD’s 7nm capacity is next to none. The former will pay 2% more for its chip supply while the latter will pay 5% more.

It’ll be interesting to know how much Intel is paying TSMC for fabbing its Xe-HPG graphics cards. Considering that this is the US chipmaker’s first advanced foundry in Taiwan, it certainly won’t be on the same level as AMD. At the same time, having rival Intel as a customer is a big boon for TSMC, both stock-wise and in terms of impetus.

Apple is TSMC’s largest client accounting for roughly 25% of all chips produced by the foundry, followed by AMD. Qualcomm and MediaTek will battle it out for the third and fourth positions this year.

KeanuIsLife · 11 Sep 2021 at 16:10

Alt0153 said:
2020/2021 stock levels at 3x current prices inc

I am incredibly hopeful that you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if this happens....

KompuKare · 11 Sep 2021 at 18:15

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/apple...just-2-amd-by-5-rest-by-20-at-tsmc-foundries/

One big question remains:
Percentage increase of what?
Accurate wafer prices would go some way in trying to figure out how much the various AMD CPUs, GPUs and console APUs actually cost to make.

ASMB · 11 Sep 2021 at 18:49

CuriousTomCat said:
Still overpriced in my opinion. I bought a used 2Gb Radeon 5850 Toxic Edition for £18 several months ago at the peak of the GPU crises. Its much faster than a 1030. There are lots of used GPUs faster and cheaper than a 1030 in fact so I've no idea why people buy them for playing games.

I'm currently playing Tomb Raider (2013) at 1440p high settings and it's smooth as butter.

I'm not giving in to these insane prices so going to wait a year or two.

A 1030 will not suit many people, but for playing old MMORPGs and strategy games like LOTRO, ESO and MWO a 1030 is passable, uses only 30 watts and if you buy a passively cooled version no noise from fans on the gpu. It's fine to put into an old 2nd system with say a i2500k and run these old games. Saving wear on the new system and gpu which are very over powered for these types of games. Pleased with my 1030 in this respect

4K8KW10 · 11 Sep 2021 at 18:58

ASMB said:
A 1030 will not suit many people, but for playing old MMORPGs and strategy games like LOTRO, ESO and MWO a 1030 is passable, uses only 30 watts and if you buy a passively cooled version no noise from fans on the gpu. It's fine to put into an old 2nd system with say a i2500k and run these old games. Saving wear on the new system and gpu which are very over powered for these types of games. Pleased with my 1030 in this respect

Don't. Better look for an AMD Radeon RX 550 2GB. It is faster and better product overall.

ASMB · 11 Sep 2021 at 19:04

Not easy to pick up a 550 with a warranty for £70 though as I did for the 1030

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2021 at 19:20

KompuKare said:
One big question remains:
Percentage increase of what?
Accurate wafer prices would go some way in trying to figure out how much the various AMD CPUs, GPUs and console APUs actually cost to make.

It would useful to know,especially as I suspect if it was known,people might start to cotton on how much of the AMD/Nvidia/Intel price increases are just opportunistic,and seeing how much PCMR is willing to pay.

ASMB said:
Not easy to pick up a 550 with a warranty for £70 though as I did

You can get a secondhand GTX1050 2GB for £100 with a 2 year warranty!

ASMB · 11 Sep 2021 at 19:24

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You can get a secondhand GTX1050 2GB for £100 with a 2 year warranty!

£100 isn't £70 though, and the 1050 uses more watts. If a new 1030 does what I want why do I need to pay more for a secondhand card that uses more electricity (I may as well take up mining if I want to be environmentally unfriendly), as I said the 1030 isn't for everyone, but it suits me