More GPU price increases!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

£100 isn't £70 though, and the 1050 uses more watts. If a new 1030 does what I want why do I need to pay more for a secondhand card that uses more electricity (I may as well take up mining if I want to be environmentally unfriendly), as I said the 1030 isn't for everyone, but it suits me

It can be undervolted too,as the GP107 was made mostly for laptops,and the GTX1050 is bus powered. I am running a TDP capped Core i5 10400 and a GTX960 4GB in 5.7 litre Velka 5 case and it works reasonably fine,and with old games you will cap the FPS anyway,as things such as physics can go wonky,so realistically power would be lower than if you are running a much newer game.

If anything using parts for longer is better for the environment - production is probably a much more important environmental factor in pollution!

Having said that I remember the passively cooled GT1030 actually was slower than the actively cooled one! This was because in some reviews the GT1030 was soundly beaten by an RX550 and others they traded blows!

 

[ASMB]

If anything using parts for longer is better for the environment - production is probably a much more important environmental factor in pollution!

I have the 1030 in a system which I also use for word processing, emails and internet browsing, certainly not stuff I need my Radeon 6800 for. I mainly play old games eg LOTRO, ESO, when I game on it. Apparently some of the parts should last for 40 years on the 1030 if not gaming, 10 years if I am, so say the card lasts 20 years as it gets mixed use, not sure I will get 20 years out of the fans on the 1050 or my 6800. No fans on my 1030 to go wrong or make a noise when working

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I have the 1030 in a system which I also use for word processing, emails and internet browsing, certainly not stuff I need my 1030 for. I mainly play old games eg LOTRO, ESO, when I game on it. Apparently some of the parts should last for 40 years if not gaming, 10 years if I am, so say the card lasts 20 years, not sure I will get 20 years out of the fans on the 1050

The capacitors tend to go before most decent quality fans - just look at the classic PC channels on Youtube. My GTX960 is around 6 years old,and even then the fans only spin at higher loads! However,it was my main GPU for a while,so now is used in my other system.

Its usually sleeve bearing fans which wear out "quickly" - decent ball bearing and hybrid bearing fans can last a very long time. However,the biggest limitation with GPUs is driver support - Kepler has no driver support going forward,and AMD dropped most GPUs before Polaris. However,the one advantage of AMD over Nvidia,is they have the best open source drivers under Linux,so are less dependent on Nvidia pushing out drivers under that OS. That means Linux will properly support AMD GPUs longer than AMD will be bothered to!

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Need intel more than ever now to get some gpus on the shelves.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

That means Linux will properly support AMD GPUs longer than AMD will be bothered to!

Every source iv seen says nvidia is far better for linux. Do you have any links to the contrary?

 

[ASMB]

The capacitors tend to go before most decent quality fans - just look at the classic PC channels on Youtube. My GTX960 is around 6 years old,and even then the fans only spin at higher loads! However,it was my main GPU for a while,so now is used in my other system.

Its usually sleeve bearing fans which wear out "quickly" - decent ball bearing and hybrid bearing fans can last a very long time. However,the biggest limitation with GPUs is driver support - Kepler has no driver support going forward,and AMD dropped most GPUs before Polaris. However,the one advantage of AMD over Nvidia,is they have the best open source drivers under Linux,so are less dependent on Nvidia pushing out drivers under that OS. That means Linux will properly support AMD GPUs longer than AMD will be bothered to!

The capacitors are rated for 10 years life at full load, GeForce GT 1030 2GH LP OC (msi.com). The box goes onto claim 12 years for gaming life, 40 years if used for office tasks

 

[4K8KW10]

Every source iv seen says nvidia is far better for linux. Do you have any links to the contrary?

From my personal experience I would say that Nvidia's image quality is broken - always blurry fonts without applied proper sharpness, wrong, washed out colours, fog over the image, like increased brightness, etc. etc.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The capacitors are rated for 10 years life at full load, GeForce GT 1030 2GH LP OC (msi.com). The box goes onto claim 12 years for gaming life, 40 years if used for office tasks

The warranty on that GPU is only 3 years. Its meaningless - try claiming a warranty on that GPU in 20 years time if the capacitors fail - it won't happen at all. These companies make all sorts of claims.

Even the best consumer PSUs top out at 10~12 years for very expensive ones. The rest seem to vary between 3~7 years. Most GPUs seem to have 3 year warranties,with extended warranties upto 5 years. Mining GPUs barely get a year.

The classic PC channels have repeated showed that capacitors tend to be the main failure point on older systems. Passive GPUs also tend to run hotter too,so if anything put more stress on capacitors.

Also,the GPU is Pascal based - Nvidia dropped support for Kepler this year. Pascal will be a similar age in 2024/2025 so driver support will be probably over by then,and its quite possible for Windows to not properly support it by then. Just look at Windows 11 which is now not supporting CPUs officially from before 2017?? Maxwell will probably be supported until 2022/2023.

The thing is I got my GTX960 within a year of Maxwell being released(2015),so I will have probably used it for at least 7 years by then before driver support is gone. In the case of a secondhand GPU,at least its already been produced and its a sunk environmental cost already - you are just extending the lifespan some more.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Need intel more than ever now to get some gpus on the shelves.

I cant see why people are excited over this. They shared a graphic on twitter summing it up perfectly. Intel dGPU is at best on par with a 3070 and 6700. Now we know how they fair as they are out and benched. Intel on the other hand have not made it to public domain so it could be a massaged figure.

As the intel soc1 or whatever their top card will be, is only hitting this mid-range tier, they wont be selling it for a bargain price. So on that basis I am predicting it being ~ £599 then upwards after the gates open and supplies get rolling.

 

[4K8KW10]

I cant see why people are excited over this.

Because a third player means that some of the demand will go to it, so more graphics cards will be available for us who want an AMD Radeon.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Because a third player means that some of the demand will go to it, so more graphics cards will be available for us who want an AMD Radeon.

 

[Game]

I wouldnt worry to much HGV and Trailer ECUS (the brain) have no stock in europe for Knoor or Wabco so prices will go up even more as people have to mothball them ( all down to the semiconductor shortages )

for example all the DAFS run on a Wabco ecu there are none at the minute

Volvo have no ERG valves so if that goes wrong your truck will not work

the list goes on and on

across the whole haulage industry parts are becoming scarce with lots of shortages all across europe

prices will just keep going up and up for a while

add onto that the container costs and shortages 2022 will be a bad year for pc upgrades

 

[4K8KW10]

I don't see what's so funny. It is a legitimate reasoning.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Because a third player means that some of the demand will go to it, so more graphics cards will be available for us who want an AMD Radeon.

agreed. in current situation even if its a crap product it will be sold out as long as its priced right.

 

[ASMB]

The warranty on that GPU is only 3 years. Its meaningless - try claiming a warranty on that GPU in 20 years time if the capacitors fail - it won't happen at all. These companies make all sorts of claims.

Even the best consumer PSUs top out at 10~12 years for very expensive ones. The rest seem to vary between 3~7 years. Most GPUs seem to have 3 year warranties,with extended warranties upto 5 years. Mining GPUs barely get a year.

The classic PC channels have repeated showed that capacitors tend to be the main failure point on older systems. Passive GPUs also tend to run hotter too,so if anything put more stress on capacitors.

Also,the GPU is Pascal based - Nvidia dropped support for Kepler this year. Pascal will be a similar age in 2024/2025 so driver support will be probably over by then,and its quite possible for Windows to not properly support it by then. Just look at Windows 11 which is now not supporting CPUs officially from before 2017?? Maxwell will probably be supported until 2022/2023.

The thing is I got my GTX960 within a year of Maxwell being released(2015),so I will have probably used it for at least 7 years by then before driver support is gone. In the case of a secondhand GPU,at least its already been produced and its a sunk environmental cost already - you are just extending the lifespan some more.

Sold my 970 to someone who didn't have a card and didn't want to pay the prices for a new gen gpu, so that helped them out and saved that environmental waste. The money from the 970 more than paid for the 1030. You say that capacitors go on old cards, well instead of having an old card with 6 year old capacitors I now have a new card with new capacitors. Plus the energy use is that bit more efficient

Driver support for the 970 will likely end before or at the same time as the 1030. The good thing is I don't care about driver support ending for the 1030 as I will carry on using it for old games that I have on dvd and themselves haven't received updates for years

 

[KompuKare]

Every source iv seen says nvidia is far better for linux. Do you have any links to the contrary?

I think the relevant word in @CAT-THE-FIFTH reply is open-source.

Nvidia's Linux drivers are a closed-source binary blob as Nvidia don't like cooperating with the open-source community and consider their drivers a closely guarded secret.

Point being, that when Nvidia drop support for a GPU from their drivers there is nothing any open-source team can do. Which is one of the reasons the FOS movement doesn't like binary blobs.

With the Linux Radeon drivers on the other hand, they are all open source. So when AMD drop support for a card, the open-source team can (and most likely would) continue to support those cards.

 

[njblue]

With current pricing that £600 overclockers are charging for a 3060ti seems like a deal. Look how the 6600xt is suddenly going out of stock and prices going up.

I managed to get one for £400 was so angry at the time now seems like not a bad price.

 

[gpuerrilla]

With current pricing that £600 overclockers are charging for a 3060ti seems like a deal. Look how the 6600xt is suddenly going out of stock and prices going up.

I managed to get one for £400 was so angry at the time now seems like not a bad price.

Yeah, the 6600's are now roughly £75 more than they were available at launch week, and the AIB prices for nvidia cards are much higher than they should be.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Because a third player means that some of the demand will go to it, so more graphics cards will be available for us who want an AMD Radeon.

 

[Hades]

I've been looking for a new GPU for my son for a while now. But I'm simply not going to spend £1k on it. I hate to let him down but prices are insane.