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Nothing Ole did won the game, gifted a goal off the back of a foul from Greenwood, then a bit of luck for Ronaldo to shoe in.
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That Ajax team was nothing special, De Ligt and De Jong were far from the players they became a few years later (De Ligt was 17! De Jong wasn't even a starter) Their most famous player was probably Klaassen of flopped at Everton fame.
We beat 3 teams last year (Milan, Sociedad and Roma) who all had better teams than that Ajax team.
We beat 3 teams last year (Milan, Sociedad and Roma) who all had better teams than that Ajax team.
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This is exactly what I mean about people being ridiculous and binary in their opinions these days. Thanks for so helpfully illustrating it
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Perhaps but Ajax were still kids then and hadn't really hit their stride. It was a couple of seasons after that they got picked apart. Our route to the final was also a lot easier than what Ole had last season. We had Milan, Roma and Real Sociadad then Villareal.
The same could be said about the league cup bar the city game we had a poor Westham, Hull City and Southampton in the final.
Arteta has won an FA Cup and Charity shield but he isn't as good as Ole.
I'm glad to be of assistance @Shamikebab. We do agree on one thing and that is that we both want him as Utd manager. Lets leave it there.
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Indeed, we got Saint-Etienne, Rostov, Anderlecht and Celta under Mourinho.
There isn't even one good team there let alone great one.
There isn't even one good team there let alone great one.
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By what metric? Experience sure, but it's 2 wins and a draw in Arteta's favour.
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So young, Europe’s elite picked them apart lmao. How much did the substitute VDB cost United again?
As for the Artera comparison, he’s taken a far inferior squad and won trophies. Ole? Sod all. How can you possibly argue Ole is a better manager?
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I don't place as much value in trophies as some on here as fundamentally a lot of them come down to a single game. My issues with Ole are that hes not anywhere near good enough for our ambition. That being said I think hes reasonably similar to Arteta, hes just got much looser purse strings and a far better squad. I think Ole would have been horribly exposed if he managed that Arsenal team. Maybe more so than Arteta but its a hard comparison to make.
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Imagine thinking Arteta, who couldn't even qualify for the third tier of Europe is better than OGS. This forum is absolutely hilarious at times.
Yes because being relegated then failing in the championship then being sacked is such a beacon of success isn't it.
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And the delusion continues.. Lol. it amazes me how anyone can have any praise for Ole, he simply has achieved nothing. I think it says it all when all rival fans are desperate for Ole to keep his job, that tells you everything you need to know.
When you have ex players calling the manager out then well it says something.
Watched the game once I got in last night so didn't see it live but managed to avoid spoilers. It was a good match but a hard watch if you are a United fan. Let's be honest United were very lucky not to lose that match as Villareal played the more cohesive football, created more chances and but for our goalkeeper who is back to his very best, it could have been embarrassing. Deputy full backs looked well short defensively - poor old Dalot looked like he had twisted blood in the first half up against their LW. The only other player I thought did ok for United was Mc Tominay - I recognise his weaknesses and he ain't no Kante but, he stuck to his position barely gave the ball away, made more forward passes than normal and some decent ones that the forwards could have made more of. However he was left isolated because Bruno and Pogba are indulged to do what they want and go where they feel. There is no balance in that team with both Pogba and Bruno. It would have been better if Pogba had left and vdB had a chance.
Ronaldo had a poor game. Now the excitement is dying down the reality is that whilst he is a wonderful goalscorer he doesn't press and is largely ineffective outside the box. It could be that the persistent accommodation of Pogba and Ronaldo is the rock that Solskjaer parishes on. Seems mad to say it but I prefer to see more of Cavani rather than run Ronaldo into the ground.
Ronaldo won't be run into the ground, he's likely still the fittest player at the club or one of and as you've said, doesn't press or move around a great deal so accumulative muscle injuries etc are unlikely.
Ole would get slaughtered if he didn't start him for Prem and CL games and failed to get a result.
Quick thought experiment for you. Who in that Arsenal team would you take over the current United first XI?
Saka is about the only player in that Arsenal team I would want. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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So you're praising Arteta for building a bad team? He's spent more than Solskjaer in the last 2 years, what has he done with it?
Has he **** spent more than Solskjaer. Utd aren't signing Varane or Ronaldo for a combined £50m odd without paying out circa £1m per week in wages to them. Same story with Cavani. Utd's wage bill will be somewhere between £100m and £150m more than Arsenal's this season.