The English Channel

cheesyboy said:
I don't think passport control is quite the same experience for asylum seekers tbh.
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Hence the £5,000. These people know what they are doing is illegal.

If I was in Oman and decided to illegally enter Saudi Arabia by paying someone £5,000 would you feel sorry for me if I was sentenced to prison time?
 
This is why we should have been returning them straight away with France's cooperation. If they knew it was fruitless they wouldn't still be doing it. Failing that we should offshore them to some eastern African nation so they can either stay there or most likely make their way back across into the EU and stay there because they don't have the money by then to reattempt crossing into the UK.
 
Fatboy123 said:
Hence the £5,000. These people know what they are doing is illegal.

If I was in Oman and decided to illegally enter Saudi Arabia by paying someone £5,000 would you feel sorry for me if I was sentenced to prison time?
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Well, yes.

But the government could offer free transport to asylum seekers. And process their applications thereafter. That's if they actually cared about stopping people traffickers and saving lives, of course.
 
cheesyboy said:
If our government allowed safe and legal crossings, there would be no people traffickers and no deaths.
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They couldn't do that as we'd be totally swamped. It's down to the EU to police it's borders properly, both external and internal. They're turning a blind eye to hope the problem goes away from being there's when they are the ones that let them into the EU to begin with.
 
The reason there's so many trying to paddle over the channel this year is because they've virtually eliminated any other route through due to increase security and checks due to covid protocols.

Imagine being willing to put you and your young family at a massive risk of death and doing one of these crossings. Just saying your in France/EU so you should stay there is a very small minded simplistic view of whats going on.
 
thenewoc said:
They couldn't do that as we'd be totally swamped. It's down to the EU to police it's borders properly, both external and internal. They're turning a blind eye to hope the problem goes away from being there's when they are the ones that let them into the EU to begin with.
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We can assess validity of claims and accept those that are legit. And if they're legit, why would we not accept them?

Remember ww2? Our Greatest Years. We accepted asylum seekers then: should we not have done so?
 
rhobbyh said:
The reason there's so many trying to paddle over the channel this year is because they've virtually eliminated any other route through due to increase security and checks due to covid protocols.

Imagine being willing to put you and your young family at a massive risk of death and doing one of these crossings. Just saying your in France/EU so you should stay there is a very small minded simplistic view of whats going on.
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Strongly disagree, they've made it all the way across the EU, travelling through multiple countries to get to France so they're Covid protocols don't exist for these people because they're circumventing the official border crossing points. Secondly, none of these people are in danger within the EU so they have no valid reason to be fleeing anywhere once they've already fled from their original home.
 
cheesyboy said:
We can assess validity of claims and accept those that are legit. And if they're legit, why would we not accept them?

Remember ww2? Our Greatest Years. We accepted asylum seekers then: should we not have done so?
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Because a lot of these people ditch their identity documents so that if their claim fails they can't be deported because where are you going to deport them to?

France won't take back the ones that they know have literally just crossed the channel.
 
It’s sheer ignorance on behalf of the pro asylum folk to believe that the immigrants come here for any other reason than their belief that we are a soft touch.
 
cheesyboy said:
How do you legally enter the UK with no passport?
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Generally, people entering the UK have to present a passport or valid travel documentation. The requirement is sometimes waived in asylum cases.

Are you proposing abandoning the requirement to hold a valid passport on entry to the UK? In all cases?
 
thenewoc said:
This is why we should have been returning them straight away with France's cooperation. If they knew it was fruitless they wouldn't still be doing it. Failing that we should offshore them to some eastern African nation so they can either stay there or most likely make their way back across into the EU and stay there because they don't have the money by then to reattempt crossing into the UK.
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French police are watching them get in the dinghy and go on the beach how is this happening?
 
potatolord said:
Generally, people entering the UK have to present a passport or valid travel documentation. The requirement is sometimes waived in asylum cases.

Are you proposing abandoning the requirement to hold a valid passport on entry to the UK? In all cases?
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In all cases where you want to be processed as an asylum seekers, yes.
 
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