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cheesyboy said:
So you're against them filling roles we need them in, against them not working at all, and against the humanitarian option of providing a safe alternative to people traffickers?

What's your logic behind all that? Like, what is the thing you think is the problem?
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Is there decent evidence to confirm that happens?

We have a dire worker shortage in the UK, and if they can speak English and have the necessary skills to fill a role, then assuming they pass asylum checks (i.e. no links to crime or terrorism etc) i don't actually see an issue.

We need to ensure that things like the benefit system has strict requirements so that migrants don't work for a couple of months and then jack it in for free benefits though.
 
thenewoc said:
You don't want it so remote that they stay there though if we're going to be footing the bill. In Africa they will probably flee back to the EU and we can play the EU at their own game of turning a blind eye when they do that journey unless France want to pay us to police the African border of which we couldn't feasibly do, due to its expanse. ;)
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Outsource the processing and detention centres to the Chinese. Inner Mongolia is lovely all year round.
 
inferno said:
Have you seen the problems they are having in France? In Germany there were mass attacks on women and it was not Germans doing it.
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In Sweden they are causing problems too. It used to be one of the safest places in the world but since the migrant hordes arrived they are having to tell women to be careful at night. Even in the remote towns.

Its not PC to talk about it, but its happening.
 
rhobbyh said:
Imagine getting on a dinghy with your wife and 4 kids all under 10 and taking a trip that could easily kill all of you. I cant imagine they are fully cognitive of the risks.
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They have people who have an ideology like cheesyboy, brain washing them into believing they have the right and would be better off in the UK. The UK then enables this by not sending illegal immigrants back.
 
LOL schapps on r4today conveniently omitted Boris's French should take back rejects remark whilsts extolling the other, more practical suggestions ;
so he has reservations on Boris
 
Nasher said:
Same in London, same in my local town. They are quite vicious and some of them are totally unhinged.
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The problem in my old part of London was the locally born scrotes knifing each other because the wrong scrote sold a £10 bag of skunk on the wrong side of a postcode boundary.
 
Malevolence said:
Love how France are trying to shift the blame onto us. How the **** is any of this our fault? What are the they trying to blame us for, France/The EU not being considered safe enough for these people to legally apply for leave to stay or France's own inaction to clear their beaches of these people and put them through the official channels (no pun intended)?
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Hardly surprising though is it.

It didn't help that many months ago the UK gov had suggested they would help pay for the additional patrols etc, so now France just see this as a money making exercise.
 
La France knows she’s not able to police her borders, so she’s doing the next best thing and shepherding all these scientists/doctors/engineers up north so they can go and rebuild Post-Brexit Britain. Just being a good neighbour really.
 
France wants them to come here, as many as possible.

Because this is better for France.

If they were economically/socially beneficial to France, the French would make it as attractive as possible to stay. But they don't.
 
The Running Man said:
France wants them to come here, as many as possible.

Because this is better for France.

If they were economically/socially beneficial to France, the French would make it as attractive as possible to stay. But they don't.
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France fields three times as many asylum applications as we do.
 
cheesyboy said:
France fields three times as many asylum applications as we do.
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And therefore gain 3 times as much economic and social benefit?

Imagine how much more they would gain if they didn't lose 24,000 of them a year to the UK.

In 2020 France had an overall 16% asylum claim acceptance percentage.

https://www.worlddata.info/europe/france/asylum.php

Ours is nearly 3 times larger so net, we keep half as many as France do.

We have a 53,% acceptance rate and accepted 7500 in 2020 allegedly.

And we have such a poor track record of removing failed claimants it wouldn't surprise me if we kept close to 90% of all claimants in country accepted or not.
 
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plasmahal said:
They have people who have an ideology like cheesyboy, brain washing them into believing they have the right and would be better off in the UK. The UK then enables this by not sending illegal immigrants back.
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If they did get here they should have their kids removed since it isn't what a parent should put their children through.
 
plasmahal said:
They have people who have an ideology like cheesyboy, brain washing them into believing they have the right and would be better off in the UK. The UK then enables this by not sending illegal immigrants back.
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I rather suspect the repeated stories of unfettered benefits in our right wing press (including Mail online, one of the very top visited news sites in the world) is more of an advert to potential grifters than any hand-wringing from us lefties.

Certainly, such stories have great cut-through within our own, apparently very capable and savvy, corner of the Internet.
 
they get better benefits in the EU and they can legally work there quicker, remember they are also illegal in France.

I get the impression if there was a straight choice between housing the asylum seekers in the UK or simple executing them, quite a few posters on here would argue strongly the virtues of the latter.
 
I really don't understand the "France/Germany get three times as many as we do" comments.

It's not in any way the point here.

It's not Top Trumps, or a competition.

The UK, and other countries can set their own policy. That leads to different outcomes.

That decision should be based on balancing the public's desires against economic need.

In reality, it is being driven by a very visible manifestation of what, until now, has been fairly hidden. That is the commercial business of people smuggling.

The deaths of 39 Vietnamese people in a lorry a few years back didn't lead to increased legislation and regulation of Hgv entry. It didn't lead to a diplomatic spat with Belgium. Instead, sensible negotiations took place and some mitigating measures were taken to reduce the risk of further tragic cases. If I'm wrong on this, please correct me.

To me, this all looks like pathetic political posturing that reflects badly on both France and the UK.
 
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