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PC Gamer: RX 6500 XT looks worse on paper than AMD's $199 GPU from six years ago

To potentially make things worse it only uses 4xPCI-e lanes. That's fine in a PCI-e 4.0 capable motherboard and CPU setup (8000MB/s), but on most systems this may be a problem. Then again it is already bottlenecked by the memory interface to begin with.

Just to give an idea, PCI-e 3.0 x4 is the same bandwidth as PCI-e 1.0 x16 or PCI-e 2.0 x8 (4000MB/s).

You can see the impact of dropping to 4000MB/s on the 6600 XT below.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/26.html
 
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Grim5 said:
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AMD have so far released the 6600XT with the same price and performance as the 2 year old 5700XT and the same for the 6600 / 5700 but yeah the 5500XT takes that to a new level.

What this does though is force buyers to move up a price tier if they want any more performance as the same money that they spent 2-5 years ago only buys the same performance today and that's at MSRP prices and not even before market scalping is added on.
 
Yeah its a bad move for sure but too late now to do an nvidia super batch later out of embarrassment.
 
Almost all the complaints seem to reference us getting worse value for money than we did in 2019.
Why should value improve? Is there some physical law that guarantees value must improve over time?
We don't live in 2019, that's not how time works.

I wish the value of graphics cards was the same today as it was in 2019, and I'd also like to buy a bitcoin at 2019 prices, and some Tesla stock.
 
on paper it is a ridiculous product but you'll have to wait and see how it performs. Price is sadly the issue rather than the spec of the card. We are going to have to forget about past prices. Same thing happened to camera gear when the Japanese tsunami hit in 2011. It hit production and prices sky rocketed. I sold my gear for more than I paid for it and the prices have never recovered.

Going to have to hope that intel can provide some competition at a lower price (lol) as nVidia isn't
 
Zoroaster said:
Almost all the complaints seem to reference us getting worse value for money than we did in 2019.
Why should value improve? Is there some physical law that guarantees value must improve over time?
We don't live in 2019, that's not how time works.

I wish the value of graphics cards was the same today as it was in 2019, and I'd also like to buy a bitcoin at 2019 prices, and some Tesla stock.
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It has improved. Nvidia prices give the same performance at lower price points compared to the last gen.

Imagine if nvidia releases a 1060 3gb level card for £200. Hahaha. This forum would have a very different tune.

Also yes in the semi conductor industry tech does get better at a similar price point. Check CPUs, phones, consoles. It's called technological progress, unless that has stopped happening for the last 3 years? I don't even why I have to explain this in a forum like here.

Apart from the few people building a system for the very first time who else is this an upgrade path for?

I should note there is nothing stopping a private company taking advantage of a high secondary market and hence overprice products, but they will and should be called out on it. Not defended.
 
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on paper it is a ridiculous product but you'll have to wait and see how it performs. Price is sadly the issue rather than the spec of the card. We are going to have to forget about past prices. Same thing happened to camera gear when the Japanese tsunami hit in 2011. It hit production and prices sky rocketed. I sold my gear for more than I paid for it and the prices have never recovered.

Going to have to hope that intel can provide some competition at a lower price (lol) as nVidia isn't
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Correct and good example. Intel were meant to start the market around now with their 'cheaper' line-up however they seem to be delayed a bit so sadly the time they enter will be way after the 3050 otherwise it would have been a nice price war potential.
 
If you'd shown me the spec and asked me to guess a price I'd have said closer to $100 than $200.

I wonder how much profit AMD will make on these? I suspect they are taking advantage of the current GPU market mess and bringing in a product they can both shift in volume and make a high margin on.

Edit: for meaningless comparison my 3DFx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI had a 128 bit bus and a RRP of $99 back at the tail end of 1999...
 
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This 1650 was release in December 2019 for £170, today you can buy it brand new for £240
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-081-in.html

This is how the 1650 compares to the 6500XT, pinch of salt with these promotional graphs as always.
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I'd love to know which card, that's available today for £200, is anywhere near the 6500XT?
 
As a different slant on this release, as a pc builder at the fairly low end (1080p mid to high settings gaming) these cards have piqued my interest. If they perform better than an RX570/rx580 ish, and the price stays at a reasonable level (near or at msrp, I know, doubtful with the way things are) these "might" make a viable alternative to having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for s/h items to use instead. As long as they came perform at 1080p, 60fps, then that'll do for a lot of people who aren't as tech minded or fussy as a lot of enthusiasts. Really given the choice, as a buyer of a pc, I'd rather have at least the same performance from something brand new with warranty and known history, than a used item with no warranty and dubious past (mining, overclocked to an inch of it's life, etc). In a nutshell, anything new thats attainable is better than nowt.
 
Zoroaster said:
This 1650 was release in December 2019 for £170, today you can buy it brand new for £240
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-081-in.html

This is how the 1650 compares to the 6500XT, pinch of salt with these promotional graphs as always.
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The fact they don't even compare this to the GTX 1650 super refresh like they did with the previous gen in the marketing slides tells you all you need to know about this card.

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Zoroaster said:
I'd love to know which card, that's available today for £200, is anywhere near the 6500XT?
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Also do you really think this card will be available for £200?
 
Might be like when the 6600XT came out there for half hour that day were cards listed for £325 and £349 something like that. Since then they just staggered up so that now most sites listing the 6600XT are about £500 which is a 30% markup.
 
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