Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chuk_Chuk said:
Any country not in europe or North America. South america might be a bit iffy though.

IMO the only reason this has so much attention is due to proximity (Edit: and because we are getting a play by play of how things are panning out like some sort of sport on TV). People feel uncomfortable and unsafe with war on their door step. They don't actually care about the people.
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That still leaves a huge number of countries. Unless we're talking about some tiny nation, I think the world would be paying plenty of attention to any invasion Russia were carrying out.

It's a big stretch to say people don't care about the Ukrainian people. I've already seen offers from all over the world to take in refugees.
 
We're also getting fairly one sided view of the situation. I am using that reddit link that was provided in here (https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs) and essentially provides only optimistic news about Ukraine's success or danger of Kyiv being taken. As far as I understand there's increased and significant fighting in Donbas as well but I am not seeing any information regarding that (presumably there are no western reporters there). This is not a particularly useful overview of the situation as you'd be hearing that Ukrainians are holding out and winning and then bam and Ukraine announces complete capitulation.
 
JBeck said:
Problem is a lot of the info coming out is unsubstantiated, as you say there's not enough concrete anything to tell at this point, I'd be surprised however if the Russians steam rollered all over the regular Ukraine troops that easily, I suppose time will tell the real story.
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Well also the OSINT people are probably trying their best not to help the Russians in anyway,by pointing out any Intel which could help them.
 
GreatAuk said:
I quite agree that that seems likely if they do end up occupying the whole country. But I was thinking in terms of the immediate conflict between regular armed forces - will there be an effective counterattack / trap of some kind from Ukrainian forces (which some people seem to be suggesting there will be), or os that just wishful thinking? Seems like there's not really enough info to tell at this point.
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It seems unlikely they'd be able to occupy the whole country, at best he can grab a chunk of the east and maybe the south too and/or go for regime change.

The Russians have had some big setbacks and it has perhaps been a bit more costly than they'd like, especially stuff like their elite airborne forces getting pushed back from the airport and having to cancel the massive airborne operation as Ukraine still had air defences/MiGs flying etc..

If they push west they'd be in big trouble from anti-armour ambushes, very hardcore pro-Ukrainian population etc.. at least in the east they have a mix of pro-Ukrainians and pro-Russians though I suspect that plenty of Russian speakers are currently anti-Russia too right now.

Very sad to see that Germany, Italy and Hungary couldn't even go with some serious sanctions... Likewise, is the Nordstream 2 pipeline just going to be delayed for a little bit until this all blows over, Germany puts up with say some US anger about resuming it in say 2025 but meh... We saw that Germany wasn't willing to even supply arms, though they have had German companies providing advice and training to the Russian army as part of their modernisation program in recent years.
 
Well they seem to be all over them, air superiority is a huge advantage.

We are not seeing or hearing much but tbh I doubt we get the true story anyway.

I think it looks pretty grim for the Ukranians though. I would have though the aid the west gave them would have been to suppress the air power they have but it looks like they have clear skies.

Without SAMS and anti tank systems it's all over bar the a,ount that will very sadly die.

I think they should give up and live to fight another day, but the leadership tell them " make molotovs and drive them back" How sad is that a few old women, men and kids being told to face down tanks with molotovs.

I have no words for that.
 
dave1983 said:
I think people fear that of how easy it was to take Ukraine what's stopping him taking on romania ect.. the west wont do anything with the fear of WW3 and china backing.
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Once again, Putin will not attack a NATO country of which Romania has been a member since 2004 so there is a miniscule chance of that happening. This will in all probability stop at Ukraine as that is the only country that had such close ties with Russia that was looking to join NATO.

The daft statements on here linking this to the West's over reaction to Covid and blaming this on Biden's weakness are supremely idiotic. The die for this invasion was cast long ago in 2014 and prior. Once the pro-Russian President was removed and Russia got involved by helping the separatists in the East then that was it, NATO or anybody else were unable to get involved in any meaningful way.

It was similar in Syria, once Russia got involved then that put paid to any involvement from anybody else.
 
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Nerusy said:
We're also getting fairly one sided view of the situation. I am using that reddit link that was provided in here (https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs) and essentially provides only optimistic news about Ukraine's success or danger of Kyiv being taken. As far as I understand there's increased and significant fighting in Donbas as well but I am not seeing any information regarding that (presumably there are no western reporters there). This is not a particularly useful overview of the situation as you'd be hearing that Ukrainians are holding out and winning and then bam and Ukraine announces complete capitulation.
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MOD are providing updates just wait for those each day. Just wait for those and ignore everything else until then.

A few on here seem to want second by second accounts and crowdsourced updates from people on the ground, and then complain that it hasn't been verified or that we won't know properly until after war. If that is the their thinking, then why don't they just wait until they get official updates and follow the 'operation' that way?
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Any country not in europe or North America. South america might be a bit iffy though.

IMO the only reason this has so much attention is due to proximity (Edit: and because we are getting a play by play of how things are panning out like some sort of sport on TV). People feel uncomfortable and unsafe with war on their door step. They don't actually care about the people.
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kind of. I think its easier to visualise yourself in the situation when its closer. Images of jets over a city and your mind can make the connection to that being in Paris, or London.
Its a lot hard to have that same connection when a lot of the fighting is in remote areas where the population tends to live in mud houses (Afghanistan). There's a huge disconnect there.
 
Johno please? said:
When was our last annexation of another country may I ask?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

though i'm certain there are stuff that is still classified and I would not be surprised if there was involvement in Venezula as well.

Ayahuasca said:
That still leaves a huge number of countries. Unless we're talking about some tiny nation, I think the world would be paying plenty of attention to any invasion Russia were carrying out.

It's a big stretch to say people don't care about the Ukrainian people. I've already seen offers from all over the world to take in refugees.
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We would notice but we wouldn't care. Some posturing and talk, maybe updating profile pic on facebook, and on to the next news cycle about how celebrity A has had a new scandal.

I'm sorry but the last few years have shown me people only care about what the news tells them to care about.

Ayahuasca said:
It's a big stretch to say people don't care about the Ukrainian people. I've already seen offers from all over the world to take in refugees.
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It is a good thing but it is only happened because of all the publicity this has recieved.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
kind of. I think its easier to visualise yourself in the situation when its closer. Images of jets over a city and your mind can make the connection to that being in Paris, or London.
Its a lot hard to have that same connection when a lot of the fighting is in remote areas where the population tends to live in mud houses (Afghanistan). There's a huge disconnect there.
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I agree, it doesn't make it a good thing though.

People should be consistent.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
It is a good thing but it is only happened because of all the publicity this has recieved.
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Well that's the thing, any invasion by Russia would receive plenty of publicity in this day and age. So no, it doesn't happen simply because people are told about it, people are making a choice to help in the best way they can. What their government decides to do is another thing entirely.

When you say "we" you really aren't speaking for everyone there. When a country like Russia invades, the world takes notice and anyone with an ounce of empathy cares.

What exactly are you expecting people to do, to show that they really care in that scenario? Get a flight out there and fight alongside which ever country it is they choose to invade?
 
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bris said:
Well they seem to be all over them, air superiority is a huge advantage.
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It always seems to be. Which makes me wonder why countries don't go massively overboard with AA defences. Whatever you think you need, quadruple it. Serbia had the same issue. US did you stealth bombers though, but Serbia did claim to take one down.
 
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