Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Iraklis F.C. said:
i know, but a response is measured in minutes, it must be quick. I guess it takes a few minutes to confirm the trajectory of the ICBM? what would you do till you have a confirmation, eat your nails while hoping it is not directed to you?
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The early warning and tracking network consists of satellites, ground radar and sea radar. Unless you launch a hypersonic nuke right up against the US mainland, you will get an early warning, ID and trajectory (updated in real time) very quickly. Boeing published a few diagrams for this when the USA was touting their missile defence systems.

That's part of Putin's supposed fear of NATO encroachment - the nearer the early response and missile defences get to Russia proper, the smaller his stick becomes.
 
Problem with all the MAD theory is that you are not just "responding to a nuclear launch" you are killing civilians - people just like you and me, people who love their children and just want to live their lives. I would rather the west get wiped out and do nothing - I'd rather die and do nothing than wipe Russia out as well.

Hell, if Russia does wipe out western Europe and the US, it's only a matter of time before they get the fallout cloud themselves.

Read "On The Beach" by Neville Shute, not necessarily factual, but a chilling forecast.
 
I've been following the thread on and off since the invasion began; firstly thanks for the updates, I certainly get more here than the BBC.

Does anyone have any insight into what the Russian public are thinking following recent developments? I see there's wide spread panic over the financial sanctions and a small number(relative to their population) of individuals protesting the war but the comments posted in response to articles on their state run news sites would lead you to believe they're fully behind the Kremlin.
 
It sure took Covid out the news, but even I didn't see this one coming. Who knew a week ago we'd be talking about nukes.

Just when you thought the world couldn't get any crazier.
 
TheOracle said:
Yeah sorry that's what I meant, crossing her fingers it happens :D

Regarding Putin, I think if he keeps on talking about Nukes the more likely the SAS/Seals will be put on notice
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SAS/Seals don't have the training/potential to get into Putins bunker, it'd pretty much need to be done internally. It isn't the movies.
 
Hodders said:
Problem with all the MAD theory is that you are not just "responding to a nuclear launch" you are killing civilians - people just like you and me, people who love their children and just want to live their lives. I would rather the west get wiped out and do nothing - I'd rather die and do nothing than wipe Russia out as well.

Hell, if Russia does wipe out western Europe and the US, it's only a matter of time before they get the fallout cloud themselves.

Read "On The Beach" by Neville Shute, not necessarily factual, but a chilling forecast.
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This is the reason Russian and USA authorities worked together, in spite of the mistrust, after the collapse of the USSR to prevent rogue agents and other elements from going full tonto with a massive nuclear arsenal inside a failing state. It's encouraging that even in the Russia of the 90s, with all the corruption and problems, this arrangement held out.
 
Look the UK is small, Russia would only need 1 maybe 2 ICBM to pop through whatever air defence we have and its gone, end of Story. Its not even worth worrying about, just enjoy the fireworks and hope your in a suitable blast zone :) Couple of warheads in the midlands and the country is split in two, London deservers 3 of it own so thats one ICBM with another 5 or 6 warheads left depending on where they want to throw them.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Enjoy your own paranoia.
 
NickK said:
They'd be on alert so it's just a case of call the bloke with the nuclear launch code brief case handcuffed to their wrist that follows the president around.

The west doesn't allow sub or base commanders to initiate a launch. That prevents rogue commanders launching independently.
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Currently, British Trident missile commanders are able to launch their missiles without authorisation, whereas their American counterparts cannot. At the end of the Cold War the US Fail Safe Commission recommended installing devices to prevent rogue commanders persuading their crews to launch unauthorised nuclear attacks. This was endorsed by the Nuclear Posture Review and Trident missile Coded Control Devices were fitted to all US SSBNs by 1997. These devices were designed to prevent an attack until a launch code had been sent by the Joint Chiefs of Staff on behalf of the President. The UK took a decision not to install Trident CCDs or their equivalent on the grounds that an aggressor might be able to wipe out the British chain of command before a launch order had been sent.[372][373][374]
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Sorry I was wrong. UK commanders retain the ability to independently launch.

You have to remember that actually prime ministers give direction, they tell the chief of the defence staff what they want, but it's not prime ministers who actually tell a sailor to press a button in the middle of the Atlantic. The armed forces are loyal, and we live in a democracy, but actually their ultimate authority is the Queen."[376]
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During the Cold War, if a nuclear attack had taken place and the Prime Minister and their deputies could not be obtained, then Royal Air Force Strike Command had standing delegated authority to retaliate.[375]

Since 1972, the Prime Minister has also written four letters of last resort, one for each SSBN commander.[375] The Prime Minister writes these letters when they take office and they set out what the commander should do in the event of a nuclear attack that kills the Prime Minister and their nuclear deputy/ies.
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So yep - a hit to the UK would lead to pre-programmed retaliation.
 
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SPG said:
Look the UK is small, Russia would only need 1 maybe 2 ICBM to pop through whatever air defence we have and its gone, end of Story. Its not even worth worrying about, just enjoy the fireworks and hope your in a suitable blast zone :) Couple of warheads in the midlands and the country is split in two, London deservers 3 of it own so thats one ICBM with another 5 or 6 warheads left depending on where they want to throw them.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Enjoy your own paranoia.
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Society would be a shell of itself but people would persevere.
 
TheOracle said:
Yeah sorry that's what I meant, crossing her fingers it happens :D

Regarding Putin, I think if he keeps on talking about Nukes the more likely the SAS/Seals will be put on notice
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SAS and SEAL teams won't get anywhere near him. Right now he is the most hated man on the planet and he knows it.

Half the russian army will be protecting him.

If he is getting the chop it will be internally, failure is not an option.
 
LabR@t said:
Would we get a warning from the government/media before we saw the blinding flash? What's the ETA of they launch?
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As above, it's in minutes: definitely not enough time to evacuate or hide. Just enough time to know when and where and to make a decision to strike back or not. Back in the day they advised to jump under a table or into a fridge! But unless you're right next to an underground station, a very deep cellar or something, it's little comfort or protection.
 
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