Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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In Putin's meeting earlier today I thought he had the same smug look on his face that he always does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JW60sTcp9k

He's already essentially in control of Belarus so from his point of view he might be thinking he's half way there already.

Having the Chechens, Kazakhs (declined), Belarussians, recruits etc involved in the early days kept some of his powder dry when Ukraine were at their most prepared. But as time goes on and the more chaotic it becomes for Ukraine with service outages, degraded intel, multiple fronts etc, then I fear that swarm of Russian troops is going to overwhelm.

There have been around half a million people that left Ukraine so there are still 40+ million civilians in the country. I don't think it's a big enough exodus for Putin to amp it up yet and the population can still cause a nuisance, perhaps helping with getting supplies to the Ukrainian troops. I was surprised to see how effective the molotov cocktails are on tank caterpillar tracks.

Given that the EU are now supplying fighter jets, and whatever missiles that go with it, I'm also hoping there will be more drones on their way, plus a no fly zone west of Kiev. Looks like Ukraine might be a huge money pit for the EU and that might also play into Putin's hands. They will be spending money that they can't recover if Russia succeeds. This could turn into the reverse of the Donbas conflict and go on for years.
 
But again the question is still, why bother waiting until your attacked, just get on and do it. If he's insane enough to do it, what's the point in waiting?

His rhetoric throughout, since something changed, has been "you forced my hand". Russia has been keen to try and get their way via loaded negotiations and still seem to be intent on trying that - but each round of failing to get what they want is likely going to bring an increase in severity of measures to force the next negotiation - they aren't interested in talk only compelled compliance.

EDIT: It is not that he is bat **** insane, but his rationale is based from what are increasingly crazy beliefs.

In Putin's meeting earlier today I thought he had the same smug look on his face that he always does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JW60sTcp9k


Oof top comment on there for me:

They are not sanctions.... they are "Special Economic Operations"
 
His rhetoric throughout, since something changed, has been "you forced my hand". Russia has been keen to try and get their way via loaded negotiations and still seem to be intent on trying that - but each round of failing to get what they want is likely going to bring an increase in severity of measures to force the next negotiation - they aren't interested in talk only compelled compliance.

EDIT: It is not that he is bat **** insane, but his rationale is based from what are increasingly crazy beliefs.




Oof top comment on there for me:

I love you too much to argue but I'm still confused as to the point in waiting.

If for example I'm wanting to hit someone in the face what's the point in standing on their foot, kicking their knee and punching them in the gut in the hope they'll hit me in the face so I can retaliate whilst singing "you made me do it". If i'm past the point of trying to save face, I'm just hitting them in the face aren't I?

Maybe I'm applying sane logic to a pencil up your nose / underpants on your head situation
 
Maybe I'm applying sane logic to a pencil up your nose / underpants on your head situation

Pretty much I think :s Putin's logic and rationale the last few months seems completely altered and he seems to be going to great pains to make out like he is being forced to do this - after being so "long suffering".
 
Saw someone make an interesting observation on a stream - aside from the special forces, etc. few of these Russian soldiers seem geared up for night fighting - Ukraine likely has a significant advantage where they have been supplied with night vision equipment.
 
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No way to verify that though and easy to fake

also earlier reports said all cellphones were taken away from Russian soldiers before they entered Ukraine
 
I love you too much to argue but I'm still confused as to the point in waiting.

If for example I'm wanting to hit someone in the face what's the point in standing on their foot, kicking their knee and punching them in the gut in the hope they'll hit me in the face so I can retaliate whilst singing "you made me do it". If i'm past the point of trying to save face, I'm just hitting them in the face aren't I?

Maybe I'm applying sane logic to a pencil up your nose / underpants on your head situation
The point is so you [believe you can] maintain internal support from your people. You believe you can convince your family you only punched them in the face as a retaliation for their aggression, and hence avoid them kicking you out.
 
The point is so you [believe you can] maintain internal support from your people. You believe you can convince your family you only punched them in the face as a retaliation for their aggression, and hence avoid them kicking you out.

Which is pretty much the gas lighting they've been trying at the UN, etc. :s
 
Seems the US thinks it will take 1-2 weeks or more for Russia to be able to fully encircle Kyiv cutting off the ability to resupply them. I'm not sure Russia will wait that long before changing gears in some way.
 
Finland will vote for NATO. One of the Russian diplomats that met up today with the Ukraine diplomatic party. He is a die hard ultra right conservative. He wrote a book a few years ago about Russia and it position talks about Finland should be part of Russia. Because they killed Russian's . Vladimir medinsky.look him up, has different views on Russian history. I was just reading about him, make up your mind but I think this is were Russia is heading. I can understand why he was there if you read his background and understand it.
 
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