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HungryHippos said:
You can't back down even with dire consequences on any threat like that, or he'll just use it to do anything.

If he's insane enough to fire nukes over that, we're all doomed anyway.
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Yeah that is a red line. As you say if he said that, and followed through. It was going to happen.


This would be another end of days scenario
 
dl8860 said:
This is a scarily good point.
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No it's not because he won't do it.

The minute he does, his bluff will be called, and then he won't, and he'll look weak.

That's why he's only said they're going on high alert, it's just a baseless threat in my opinion as it assures the destruction of Russia and all of it's people as well.
 
bjorkiii said:
What happens when Putin says remove sanctions or im using them as an act of war and threatens to use nukes?
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Because he'd have to nuke most of the Nato countries (preemptive strike) and that would wreck the entire planet, (because of the amount of weapons required to do the job) so Russia ultimately suffers terribly 6+ months down the line, and they know this.
 
What annoys me about Russia is that if they grew up and stopped getting stuck in the past, they could be a real economic powerhouse , and a great partner in Europe.

Putin has held them back massively.
 
bjorkiii said:
What happens when Putin says remove sanctions or im using them as an act of war and threatens to use nukes?
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Nothing we all die.

If you follow the logic of this situation...
A cornered Putin will nuke something.
It's just a matter of when/how long it takes to feel cornered.
If he takes Ukraine, he moves to the next country on the empire list. Threatening nukes.
Etc etc. The moment we step in he nukes something, probably me in Northern Sweden.
Low population, non NATO.
I am 49/51 seeing this as a no win, except with an immediate assassination of Putin, and pray to God the next in charge is reasonable....

There's already a few people popping up on Swedish media saying, stock up on cans, fill up water tanks, get hold of cash incase the banking network is cybored :p . I mean FML?

It really is quiet ****ed..

Literally everything hinges on has he got the balls to order a strike, when it's the last card he has left. I think he has, I pray he ends up swinging from a lampost before it gets there.
 
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Ranger07 said:
I think something like this could be the best outcome for Ukraine but I doubt Putin will stop there
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If Ukraine did opt for that or even at worst the line of Luhansk and Donetsk. The West will keep sanctions on Russia and continues to squeeze life out of it until Putin is gone. Then anyone taking over, at least if they weren't a complete nut, would likely have to engage the west and move Russia away from what it has become under Putin. That would likely mean revisiting any agreements that may come from the current situation in order for them to make any progress from their resultant pariah state status. Unfortunately Ukraine might have to suffer that in the short term but also gives them the opportunity to draw the line foe the moment and reconcentrate efforts towards Europe and EU membership etc.
 
HungryHippos said:
No it's not because he won't do it.

The minute he does, his bluff will be called, and then he won't, and he'll look weak.

That's why he's only said they're going on high alert, it's just a baseless threat in my opinion as it assures the destruction of Russia and all of it's people as well.
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This assumes Putin is of stable mind. I hope you're right that he's able to think logically enough to avoid guaranteeing his own demise, but even if it's only a 10% chance of him being that deranged, it's still a 10% chance of nuclear war.
 
Jono8 said:
What annoys me about Russia is that if they grew up and stopped getting stuck in the past, they could be a real economic powerhouse , and a great partner in Europe.

Putin has held them back massively.
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Yeah this is something I keep thinking about,

They have a great country, great resources, culture and pedigree in science and technology - look at their progress in space...

It's just a shame it's ended up like this.
 
dl8860 said:
This assumes Putin is of stable mind. I hope you're right that he's able to think logically enough to avoid guaranteeing his own demise, but even if it's only a 10% chance of him being that deranged, it's still a 10% chance of nuclear war.
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I have to think self-interest of other Russians may kick in before that point though, can Putin fire them without anyone else agreeing? I think there must be systems in place to prevent the nutter just doing it without any other confirmation.

If Putin really authorised it, then I think people may finally step in and we'll get a coup.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Putin has only tried this on because Europe/NATO look weak. Maybe it’s time to change that?
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Never seen Europe more united than the last few days. It seems to have really not achieved whatever Putin was aiming for. A quick snatch or Ukraine to make the EU/NATO look bumbling and inept. Instead he's not taken Ukraine, looked absolutely inept militarily, and shown how brutal he is prepared to be to surrounding states - driving them further towards the West I presume. On top of that the entire World pretty much is waging economic warfare on Russia.

There is no outcome for Russia that won't involve loss of world standing and Putins ego taking a bashing. Even a military victory at huge cost leaves the Russians trying to occupy a huge country, likely with a well armed insurgency, and sanctions against him whilst every bordering country joins NATO and ramps up military spending with the West.
 
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