Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The future is looking grim.
Lessons will be learnt from this but as time goes on its more likely someone even crazier than putin will get hold of some form of weapon of mass destruction and a delivery method.


Really the west needs to think about how it stops this in the future. If Ukraine was in nato would it have happened?
If we didn't funnel billions to Russia in oil and gas payment would it have happened?

What will happen if putin thinks he has nothing to lose.

The big Big issue is that ww3 can be started by one nuke. A country could have a tiny military and countless nukes. If the leader is crazy enough. That's enough to end the world.

Not really sure how stop this.. Every single time.

That's the real issue isn't it. Only one has to slip through the net. One event. One crazy leader for everything to end.



Oh and if ww3 doesn't get us. Climate change will.
Things like this will likely push birth rate down even further.
 
Hades said:
I agree that NATO will become less relevant. That actually poses an issue for the UK as we won't be part of the EU army.
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Not actually a problem at all and I am sure that if there was common cause, a mutual defence pact would be drawn up. We do have a substantial armed services still compared to most of the EU.
 
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They seem to be missing the massive fuel train from that!

Is there any news on what the two vessels refers to? I've not heard of any Russian ships or patrol boats being sunk? I guess the south is a bit underreported.

Also I'm not sure the 9000 is accurate - presumably an estimate and maybe a tendency to over estimate by the Ukrainian side.
 
Also with India becoming the conduit for the Rubel, in a war with China, the question is will India be placed on the section list?

There is a lot of outsourced services in India, especially IT and international call centres. This reliance will have more of an impact on immediate services. The operations for services data centres are held local but Indian staff are often used to follow the sun and provide 24/365 operation. Large numbers of clearing houses use staff to process too.

With other low-cost technical-savvy locations being influenced by russia (South America, India etc) then we can look at companies needing insure against critical risks in their operations.

Russia has been playing the strategic long game, I think China can see that but the EU/US commercial companies can't. Too focused on shareholder returns, the pressure to cut costs short term has left an easy target for russia to undermine operations.

Russia medium term can't and wont attempt to control India directly. However through influence along side China, the work is there with the political party already showing signs through state-backed corruption and investment - just like the Conservatives.
 
Hagar said:
Not actually a problem at all and I am sure that if there was common cause, a mutual defence pact would be drawn up. We do have a substantial armed services still compared to most of the EU.
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Yes I expect we will. I hope we do. But that could draw us into a war between the EU and another state where we have had little influence on EU foreign policy. It's a risk we could control to a certain extent if we were still in the EU.

Similarly, would the EU really want to help Britain if we were attacked in isolation and the other party was a nuclear power?
 
Rroff said:
I've not seen footage of T-90s vs ATGMs and the likes yet - only images of the aftermath and videos of disabled or abandoned ones being destroyed.
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The thing is to disable a Tank you don't need to cause much damage, you need to make the crew feel it's just not worth it and bail (look at the story of how Tiger 131 came into British hands), so many armchair generals completely ignore the human factor in Tank Warfare, being trapped in a hard to escape ready made coffin can only be taken for so long, particularly if morale is already on shaky ground.
 
An economically devastated Russia is not good for the rest of us. Putin just needs to be removed ASAP. It's drastic, but these sanctions don't appear to be having any short term effect on Putin's war plans, and the long term effects will harm a lot of people, in a big way.
 
Hagar said:
Not actually a problem at all and I am sure that if there was common cause, a mutual defence pact would be drawn up. We do have a substantial armed services still compared to most of the EU.
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This the UK just does not feel the need to brag about its military like some other nations do and though the UK is no super power it still has substancial armed forces and is very well trained with many seeing combat previously, so experienced.
 
Rroff said:
Not a sight you see every day:


Not sure the origin of the images but some propaganda shots there for sure on her feed.
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Is the NRA playing a part in the messaging - "May the people be free and well armed" is basically the NRA's tag line.

I can see the Ukraine being used by the NRA to push an agenda of relaxing gun control within the US.
 
We still need cooperation from Russia when all this over. The threat of Nuclear weapons from Any country that decides to go for a land grab is the end of the world at some point as some loon will use them. All countries need to be prevented from investing making them.
 
bris said:
Xi's ambitions are the Taiwan and the south China seas which he wants badly. I though he would be waging war on Taiwan by now but then again USA are obliged to help there so keeping hiw away for now.

China would be a serious threat though, shear numbers and modern equipment would be a threat to the US and Nato combined.
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He'd need an obvious buildup if he fancied trying to take Taiwan and if you think Russian troops have been having a rough time then that's nothing compared to what an amphibious invasion of Taiwan would be like.

There are only a couple of months in the year when an invasion is really worth thinking about and there are relatively few places where they could feasibly land, obviously the Taiwanese are well aware of that, it could be utter chaos. I mean they might indeed try something stupid and of course, China is getting stronger and stronger so at some point it is a risk but I suspect we'll see some build-up to it in advance.
 
dl8860 said:
An economically devastated Russia is not good for the rest of us. Putin just needs to be removed ASAP. It's drastic, but these sanctions don't appear to be having any short term effect on Putin's war plans, and the long term effects will harm a lot of people, in a big way.
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Long term sanctions just ruin life for the actual people of Russia and they don't deserve that at all, in the short term I guess the hope is Putin might come under pressure from his wealthy comrades and as such he may call a cease fire or even his own government or FSB will remove him.
 
dl8860 said:
An economically devastated Russia is not good for the rest of us. Putin just needs to be removed ASAP. It's drastic, but these sanctions don't appear to be having any short term effect on Putin's war plans, and the long term effects will harm a lot of people, in a big way.
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Its sad. Seems like he really has no care at all for anything but his idea to piece together the old ussr.

Does seem like sanctions will destroy Russia but putins war machine will carry on. I still struggle to understand how anyone internally hasn't had enough of this.
By that I mean an overthrow. I understand its hard in Russia and those in control are probably same ilk as putin. But surely at some point?
 
413x said:
Its sad. Seems like he really has no care at all for anything but his idea to piece together the old ussr.

Does seem like sanctions will destroy Russia but putins war machine will carry on. I still struggle to understand how anyone internally hasn't had enough of this.
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Maybe they have, but its a dictatorship and removing the man in power is near impossible and incredibly dangerous for those thinking it. If such a plan is underway it is not something that will happen overnight, takes a lot of time to plan and execute, that is even if its happening and if it is they still need to evade capture or been discovered as the latter would make things even worse if not successful. Plus then who replaces him and what is the fall out from that, could create a civil war inside Russia, there is no real good outcome.

The only good outcome is for Putin to realise this is a mistake and to withdraw before he has even more blood on his hands.
 
NickK said:
Also with India becoming the conduit for the Rubel, in a war with China, the question is will India be placed on the section list?

There is a lot of outsourced services in India, especially IT and international call centres. This reliance will have more of an impact on immediate services. The operations for services data centres are held local but Indian staff are often used to follow the sun and provide 24/365 operation. Large numbers of clearing houses use staff to process too.
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Many of our banks outsource a very significant amount of IT support to India. I don't just mean helpdesk for customers, but entire application support teams for banking systems. All of my teams are either Indian or work for Indian service companies in other countries.
 
413x said:
Its sad. Seems like he really has no care at all for anything but his idea to piece together the old ussr.

Does seem like sanctions will destroy Russia but putins war machine will carry on. I still struggle to understand how anyone internally hasn't had enough of this.
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Because they all believe in what he does.
 
NickK said:
Is the NRA playing a part in the messaging - "May the people be free and well armed" is basically the NRA's tag line.

I can see the Ukraine being used by the NRA to push an agenda of relaxing gun control within the US.
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In that Twitter thread yeah - the person who owns the account was lashing out at people who'd criticised them for owning an AR15.

Some interesting pictures from Ukraine, largely propaganda I suspect but still.

bris said:
Xi's ambitions are the Taiwan and the south China seas which he wants badly. I though he would be waging war on Taiwan by now but then again USA are obliged to help there so keeping hiw away for now.

China would be a serious threat though, shear numbers and modern equipment would be a threat to the US and Nato combined.
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I might be wrong but AFAIK China isn't really that close to a realistic invasion of Taiwan - as you can't just roll tanks in they need to significantly expand their amphibious assault capabilities and even with their fancy ferries, etc. they still have quite a long way to go there and they also need significant air power and while not critical to the operation to perform at the optimal sortie rate requires building several new airbases nearer Taiwan and they've only done one of those. Realistically they probably won't even attempt it before 2025-2027.
 
TheMightyTen said:
The thing is to disable a Tank you don't need to cause much damage, you need to make the crew feel it's just not worth it and bail (look at the story of how Tiger 131 came into British hands), so many armchair generals completely ignore the human factor in Tank Warfare, being trapped in a hard to escape ready made coffin can only be taken for so long, particularly if morale is already on shaky ground.
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They will have heard experiences from Afghanistan and others just how bad the design is. The autoloader in the centre under the turret is basically a bomb. One hit and the tank goes up. The rounds are stored in a petal formation - so there's a massive area to hit with a NLAW or mine. The design principle isn't on saving the crew.
 
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