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He's not wrong, apart from nukes why are we afraid ? If he's really capable of using nukes then surely we should be stopping him at any cost ?
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He's not wrong, apart from nukes why are we afraid ? If he's really capable of using nukes then surely we should be stopping him at any cost ?
Maybe you're one of those people who only sees what they want to see? Or did you miss the paragraph after the article link was shared which was actually my thoughts. Anyway you're actually being confrontational for absolutely no reason whatsoever, maybe it's a Friday night drink session or something I don't know and I have no time for that kind of nonsense.
Apart from…?! Nukes are the reason. They are massively destructive and could effectively end humanity in a matter of days or even hours.
The reality is that nobody is starting a nuclear war over Ukraine. NATO is a defensive alliance and Ukraine are not a member. That has left them horribly exposed and it’s a tragedy.
Putin will have been acutely aware of this when he chose to invade Ukraine, he knows NATO will not get involved directly - and they aren’t.
Given his questionable state of mind and the fact the Russian economy is in ruins, now is not the time to risk everything and push even more of his buttons. Ukraine will yield before long. Not right, not acceptable, but the alternative would potentially be billions of people dead.
I think Ukraine will fight for every last inch of their country, even if the current cities fall they will fight for everything else as the Russian war machine advances.
Oh yes, they could potentially fight a guerrilla war for many years, but by and large I think the country will be out of their control soon. Hopefully not though.
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Everything the mayor, former president and others who have been on the news interviews have said points to exactly this. Zelinskyy has even said he will be fighting until the end early on, so yeah that does seem like it will be exactly what happens.
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The Budapest memorandum was supposed to protect them but none of the signatories will honour that agreement
Let's be honest here, NATO in terms of defensive power is basically the US, thanks to the stupid wars they've been involved in for the last half century the nation has no appetite for war, this is all purely a political decision to not get involved and actually help Ukraine.
I wonder if Estonia or Latvia or Lithuania are invaded will the reality be that nobody is going to start a nuclear over them as well ?
US & Russia have both shown the world that signed agreements mean nothing, Russia going a step further by giving a nice **** you to the Geneva convention as well
Sadly I still feel this is all Putin's plan, the war itself may not be going as planned but the political side of things is exactly as he planned and we will be sleepwalking into a war we will ultimately have no choice but to enter and by then it could potentially be too late, hell I bet even IF the nukes started to fall, the West would still have their head in the sand pretending it's not happening
I suppose it all depends on how you view it. NATO is an ironclad defensive alliance with clear red lines.
I’m also dubious as to whether nukes would start flying over small Eastern European NATO countries, but I suppose we’ll have to review that if we get to that point…
Irrelevant. Ukraine aren't a member of NATO, therefore there's not obligation for NATO to defend them. Putin knows that, which is why he invaded.
NATO are stuck between a hard place and a full blown WW3 if they intervene past the assistance already provided to Ukraine.
I think thats a given and has been for some time. The issue lies with what happens when one side decides its loosing. Well we sure dont want a bad loser in this situation...
I'm starting to think that Even if it did get to that situation that it wouldnt happen. As much as I want there to be an intervention of some sort to stop this barbaric conflict I dont know if the world is ready to put that theory to the test.
Absolutely correct.
The issue is really that once they get steamrolled, they’ll start firing nukes indiscriminately at NATO cities… that’s the risk anyway (and it’s a big one).
From the latest TV appearance by Putiin asking for everyone to calm down with the sanctions, unless he's putting it on, then he's obviously under pressure (Oligarchs?) because the country is economically done for - But the scary thing is that he's been quoted in the past saying what's the point of there being a Russia if it cannot be a part of the rest of the world? At that point there's nothing to lose and the worst kind of person is someone with nothing to lose.
I guess it also doesn't help that one Oligarch has put a $1 million bounty on his head for the "legal" arrest of Putin though either.
There was a former US general (I forget the exact title/name) late last week who said if an invasion like this isn't over with in 1-2 days then it's not been done effectively and its success rate is basically not that great.
NATO won't intervene unless a member is affected but like the other countries have been doing, providing support to Ukraine, is the bulk of what Zelenskyy has been repeating each time he has been on a new video and further asking Russian people to rise up and protest. It's pretty clear he knows that there is no direct help coming, he even said that in the first day or two when he said that he doesn't see any help coming from the west. But the more weapons and supplies the west delivers to Ukraine the better. They have the spirit and determination, they just need the ammo and supplies to try to make it work.
There's probably a line chart that's relevant here, the longer the Russians keep trying to force their way through, the more resilient the Ukrainians get which further demoralises/confuses the Russian soldiers that have no idea why they've actually been sent there based on what we've seen and heard in recent days.
I guess it also doesn't help that one Oligarch has put a $1 million bounty on his head for the "legal" arrest of Putin though either.
There was a former US general (I forget the exact title/name) late last week who said if an invasion like this isn't over with in 1-2 days then it's not been done effectively and its success rate is basically not that great.
NATO won't intervene unless a member is affected but like the other countries have been doing, providing support to Ukraine, is the bulk of what Zelenskyy has been repeating each time he has been on a new video and further asking Russian people to rise up and protest. It's pretty clear he knows that there is no direct help coming, he even said that in the first day or two when he said that he doesn't see any help coming from the west. But the more weapons and supplies the west delivers to Ukraine the better. They have the spirit and determination, they just need the ammo and supplies to try to make it work.
There's probably a line chart that's relevant here, the longer the Russians keep trying to force their way through, the more resilient the Ukrainians get which further demoralises/confuses the Russian soldiers that have no idea why they've actually been sent there based on what we've seen and heard in recent days.
They'll sign their own death warrant then. Is Putin really that stupid or does he realise that saying the word 'nuke' terrifies his opponents into inaction?
My worry is this attempted genocide in Ukraine will embolden him into attacking a NATO country and that will be much more severe for all of us, that's what I want to avoid and is why he must fail now.
I understand the point but there is a massive difference between attacking Ukraine and NATO.
By attacking NATO you are attacking lots of countries, a number of them being nuclear armed, and of course the USA too.
I think the more immediate worry is how Russia react to their economy being destroyed.
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Whilst I don't agree with RT it's crazy they've banned it. So much for freedom of speech/free news.
Hopefully this stops at Ukraine, and NATO wakes up and stops pointless oil wars/regime changes. It's all hypocritical.
Nuclear weapons need eradicated.
Hopefully this stops at Ukraine, and NATO wakes up and stops pointless oil wars/regime changes. It's all hypocritical.
Nuclear weapons need eradicated.
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Putin is far from an idiot so he would have been expecting and no doubt planned for a range of responses.
Thing is what we are doing is just pushing the people closer to him and enabling him to operate a closed off state dependent country, but at the end of the day what else can we do, we have to respond in some fashion.
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