Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Entai said:
Which is a pretty massive task as many are in subs around the world, and others are on mobile launchers that could be anywhere within Russia.

You only need to miss half a dozen or so, and that's most of western Europe obliterated.
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Just one missed would wipe out a city the size of London, killing millions in the process. That’s without the lasting impact. It’s unthinkable.
 
chaparral said:
There always has to be one :(

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I don't follow. They said they would still buy russian oil to maintain supply until they found alternative sources. This is reasonable; i wouldn't expect them to resolve this for days, if not weeks. So what's the issue? Is it that they got it cheap, or that they lied with their statement after knowing they'd get it cheaper?
 
Custor said:
It’s not only Putin that must be paranoid.
Name one country with rich people that doesn’t attempt to influence governments?
Which Russian bot made you vote Tory/Labour/Lib dem against your will?

Reds under the beds is so ‘50’s.
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Have you been living in a cave? Its well documented that Russia has had great success on social media with its disinformation campaigns, sowing discord in western society. They wouldn't have spent that much time doing it if it didn't have any effect. Twitter has shut down accounts traced back to Russian cyber that had 100s of thousands of followers. To say people weren't/aren't influenced by what they see and read on social media is deluded, campaigns don't spend billions on social media because it doesn't work.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11718

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
 
200sols said:
They know once this is over people will forget in a short while but they will be sat on a massive bargain.
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So two points:

1. They are working on other sources, but need to take this oil currently so they can keep refining capacity up.
2. They are donating the difference in price back to Ukraine.
 
Mr Jack said:
Do you think this stops with Putin committing mass murder in Ukraine? If the answer is no, then the question isn't do we stand up to him but when do we stand up to him.
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Agree. It is an agonisingly difficult call to make, but a line has to be drawn. What sort of world have we become where a country can invade another sovereign state on a false premise, slaughter civilians and hide under cover of nuclear retaliation? Where does it stop? Is that a world even worth living in, where the bullies can rampage through the playground without restraint and fear of consequences?

In any event, if Russia does start attacking assets outside the Ukrainian theatre, such as undersea cables, then that cannot go without a proportionate response.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Just one missed would wipe out a city the size of London, killing millions in the process. That’s without the lasting impact. It’s unthinkable.
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What is unthinkable is basically saying it's okay to allow a madman apparently capable of launching nuclear weapons to exist and do as he pleases bullying everyone as long as he isn't quite that mad to launch the nukes at us

If he's mad enough to launch nukes in defence, he's probably mad enough to launch nukes in offence

Surely he must be stopped no matter the cost ?
 
 
200sols said:
The article doesn't mention your second point, have you a source?
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Shell released a formal written statement on Saturday. It is on their twitter. Hence these articles chastising Shell seem odd. Sure not ideal, but they've been up front about their predicament and the profits.
 
thenewoc said:
You would say that.
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Yeah imagine thinking we could do our bit and take in Ukrainians fleeing a war. But no that is on every other country in Europe to do, we're full :rolleyes: The lack of empathy in here sometime is shameful it really is. "Putin is evil and what is happening in Ukraine is terrible..... house Ukrainian refugees?? Nah sorry they can go elsewhere"

Germans waiting at Berlin train station with offers to house and feed refugees.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-ukrainian-refugee-welcome-center-2022-03-04/
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Have you been living in a cave? Its well documented that Russia has had great success on social media with its disinformation campaigns, sowing discord in western society. They wouldn't have spent that much time doing it if it didn't have any effect. Twitter has shut down accounts traced back to Russian cyber that had 100s of thousands of followers. To say people weren't/aren't influenced by what they see and read on social media is deluded, campaigns don't spend billions on social media because it doesn't work.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11718

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
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Right ok. So which piece of voting is invalid due to Russian interference?
Obviously ONLY Russian influence. No other person, organisation, political party or foreigner, had any influence.

Cambridge Analytical?
 
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