Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chojin said:
If there are clandestine NATO operations ongoing then Zelenskyy complaining about the West might be the safer thing to say at this moment.

Same with asking for fighter jets and Poland denying it, it might offer some deniability. They could still end up getting them but officially they haven't.
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Yes who knows what's actually going on really, our tankers are certainly spending a lot of time flying in circles over Poland lately...
 
*UK Ministry of Defence: Russian Air and Artillery Raids Have Continued to Hit Military and Civilian Targets in Ukrainian Cities Over the Past 24 Hours.
*UK Ministry of Defence: The Recent Strikes Have Targeted Kharkiv, Mykolaiv and Chernihiv, and Have Been Especially Concentrated in Mariupol
*UK Ministry of Defence: Russian Forces Are Likely to Have Made Minor Land Advances Over the Weekend. It Is Highly Doubtful That Russia Has Accomplished Its Planned Objectives Yet.

Bit late, news is from 22:27: https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1500598902042542080
 
Couple of unfortunate facts...

97% of Ukrainians voted to be part of Russia:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"Anti-Oligarch" Zelenskiy features heavily in the Pandora Papers:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

Stop allowing yourself to be wound up be the media and start looking for the truth.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Couple of unfortunate facts...

97% of Ukrainians voted to be part of Russia:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"Anti-Oligarch" Zelenskiy features heavily in the Pandora Papers:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

Stop allowing yourself to be wound up be the media and start looking for the truth.
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Was that before or after the Russians removed most of the native population and replaced them with their own? Stop being a far right putin lover
 
LCG-xyz said:
Couple of unfortunate facts...

97% of Ukrainians voted to be part of Russia:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"Anti-Oligarch" Zelenskiy features heavily in the Pandora Papers:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

Stop allowing yourself to be wound up be the media and start looking for the truth.
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Was that the same "referendum" that from memory had many people not allowed to vote, and "observers" who were not allowing international observers in, and where they forgot to disable the cameras that showed the ballot boxes getting stuffed?
 
Jokester said:
To be honest, he might do well not to bite the hand that feeds him.
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No one is going to blame him for saying things like this. He is desperate, probably exhausted and scared for his country, his family and himself. He is just trying to keep the message they are desperate for more help front and centre in the press. So far its worked perfectly.
 
Harlequin said:
Was that before or after the Russians removed most of the native population and replaced them with their own? Stop being a far right putin lover
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Don't be so quick to apply 'labels' friend. I'm not pro Russia or Ukraine, I'm anti war and and anti propaganda. I'm still trying to find the truth in all this rather than be spoonfed an agenda from the media.
 
Chojin said:
Putin using tactical nukes somewhere outside of Ukraine. It's a possibility if NATO's contributions make it too one-sided. I think we would see him test one on Russian territory first as part of the escalation.
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However if Putin simply wants something and shakes the tactical nuclear button then he should be under no doubt of the response.

The issue here is someone wants to expand their current borders back to the last century, irrespective of the population that live there, then there is something wrong. If to him, all populations are territorial renters then every sovereign state is going to end up in nuclear brinkmanship.

The issue is that the guy's unblinking rehtoric does not seem to take into account the country but seems to suggest every scenario ends with Putin's tactical nuclear strike therefore give him what he wants.

Putin needs to know that a first strike - tactical or not - is just that. A first strike.

For Putin that seems to be that he owns the lives of those on his territory, thus taking a tactical nuke is something he can do. This promotes the chess moves - it involves the status of the attacked country.

1. An sovereign ex-soviet state is not part of NATO or Russia.
2. A first strike by Russia as a tactical weapon is not a first strike on NATO.
3. NATO can't 'retaliatory' nuclear tactical strike because adds more destruction to the sovereign state, nor can they retaliatory strike Russian territories as this is a first strike.

The point here is that the neutral status of the sovereign country allows the attack by Putin but doesn't allow the engage/retaliatory strikes. It's cold logic.

This is why Putin wants a buffer zone of those states and proceeds to throw his toys in the event they show the desire to join NATO/EU.

If those states joined NATO then any tactical nuke aggression would be a first strike by Putin on NATO, and the game of chess is checkmate. If Putin goes to nuclear then he simply imitates his own destruction.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Couple of unfortunate facts...

97% of Ukrainians voted to be part of Russia:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"Anti-Oligarch" Zelenskiy features heavily in the Pandora Papers:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

Stop allowing yourself to be wound up be the media and start looking for the truth.
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You looked for the truth and got as far as wikipedia? (on an article you clearly didn't even read)
 
LCG-xyz said:
Couple of unfortunate facts...

97% of Ukrainians voted to be part of Russia:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"Anti-Oligarch" Zelenskiy features heavily in the Pandora Papers:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

Stop allowing yourself to be wound up be the media and start looking for the truth.
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Didn't we have another poster pushing the Russian messaging earlier in this thread?
 
Werewolf said:
Was that the same "referendum" that from memory had many people not allowed to vote, and "observers" who were not allowing international observers in, and where they forgot to disable the cameras that showed the ballot boxes getting stuffed?
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I don't know, I'm still looking for info. I think the wiki said +80% turnout, do you have any links to support your memories?
 
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