Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Magic_x_uk said:
Surely specialist departments, ie CIA, mi6 for example probably know where Putin is. Why can they just not take him out.
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Assassinating a ruler of a country - where have I heard that before? Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated and that started the World War I.
 
Magic_x_uk said:
Surely specialist departments, ie CIA, mi6 for example probably know where Putin is. Why can they just not take him out.
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Life isn’t like the movies, you know. You’d have to coerce someone in Putin’s trusted inner circle to do it and they wouldn’t survive it. You can’t just drop a bunch of Hereford Hooligans into the Kremlin and expect no-one to notice.
 
GreatAuk said:
While I agree that in this case the referendums were almost certainly rigged, I'm not sure the fact they weren't constitutional is a good reason for saying they mean nothing.
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They mean nothing because they have no legal standing. The fact that they were rigged proves that even if they had been legitimate, they would not have been an accurate representation of the people's will, and would still mean nothing.

If hypothetically there was a free and fair referendum and a large majority of Crimeans did want Crimea to leave Ukraine and join Russia, I don't think it would be right to claim the referendum they held wasn't legitimate just because the government didn't want them to have one.
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It would be entirely right to claim that the referendum wasn't legitimate, because the Ukrainian constitution does not allow different regions to hold referendums for the purpose of declaring independence. Such a referendum would be both illegal and unconstitutional. They'd have to change the constitution if they wanted the referendum to be legitimate.
 
If Ukraine falls then Putin has a large number of disgruntled Ukrainians in EU states that he will attempt to stir up and blame the west for not helping save the country.

Putin cannot be seen to fail. Hence the failed blitzkrieg changed into a war of attrition as a cheaper option for him to sacrifice soldiers and old kit as plan B. This has the effect of pushing those that would not comply out of the state and those that remain will be killed during fighting.
Putin's strategy is to remove opposition and leave only compliant people.

Putin seems to believe in the same Tsar way that people are tenants on the land he owns. Either you comply or it's highway/gulag/shot.
 
We have two prices for fuel where I am in central scotland, probably the same as everywhere else,

Supermarket fuel is £1.56 for petrol, and £1.61 for diesel. In the Shell, BP garages you can add 6p onto those prices,
I wouldnt even want to see what motorway service stations now charge.

I used to be able to fill up my diesel tank for about £50 just a year ago, now it's £75.
 
Amnesia said:
Small correction, it states Biosafety level 2.

Common sense would dictate that you would need labs in the first place for them to reach that level of safety, so no argument from me about the existence of the labs.


Now googling bio-safety levels I came across this website
https://consteril.com/biosafety-levels-difference/

Now rather than quoting the whole page I will just paste their basic explanation that covers bio-safety levels. If someone wants to read more into it then the link is above.



If these labs have just been upgraded to bio-safety level 2 then this does not sound like they were creating/studying world ending infectious agents.

I hope you do understand that these labs are needed in detecting and reporting outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens.
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We have a level 3 lab at work (in the UK)
We work in the food supply chain....
 
bris said:
We have two prices for fuel where I am in central scotland, probably the same as everywhere else,

Supermarket fuel is £1.56 for petrol, and £1.61 for diesel. In the Shell, BP garages you can add 6p onto those prices,
I wouldnt even want to see what motorway service stations now charge.

I used to be able to fill up my diesel tank for about £50 just a year ago, now it's £75.
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Yep £1.57 here, i wonder how people will survive on low income with everything going up, it's absolutely nuts. either way the war will costs us money even with the sanctions
 
chrcoluk said:
What happens if he threatens nukes, do we fight?

We seem scared of Russia not other way round.
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I don't think we're "scared of Russia" per se, it's more the fact that no Western country wants to be involved in war (proxy wars excluded).

He's already made threats with nukes - the warning about not getting involved with the conflict or we'd suffer severe consequences that we've never faced before - or something to that effect.
 
NickK said:
Well from France's perspective if it halts the flow then it's responsible for them.

I agree every country has a limit in terms of expenditure for supporting people seeking to become a member of the country. Low GDP countries are often the most corrupt and with the largest gap between rich ruling and poor surviving. So how do you solve that? If you provide aid then ethically you're doing the right thing but reality is that simply allows the rich to spend less and leave more to the aid (if they're not already syphoning aid payments).

Corruption enables corruption. People see it as the natural way to live. Unfortunately the majority of the planet isn't a self-entitled fair balanced democracy.

So unless you change the country, then you'll always have that problem. Russia is simply seeding the equivalent of US influence.

Russia and China's weakness is it needs strict control, it needs a strict morality to control with minimal force. It needs passive workers with tightly controlled bright academics to think outside the box but not outside the system.

Size of the nation from the central point of control becomes unsustainable. There is a difference between the Roman Empire (needing to hybridise Roman and local beliefs to control etc) and modern internet based & AI monitor and control. The modern world allows, through digital infrastructure, the monitoring & compliance to expand the range of compliance and influence but it still takes time to remove the local beliefs and traditions.

I would expect Putin to raise Ukraine to the ground, both as a reflection of force but also to attempt to fast erase the local beliefs and traditions in favour of the centralised agenda without the need of Digital technology.

I believe that Putin's plan was to perform a German style fast blitzkrieg, running across all the buffer non-NATO countries. However the real state of the Russian army became apparent and he's now progressing in a war of attrition.
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It became France's problem when France chose to let them cross into their country. It's rather rich of France to criticise the UK for not doing it's bit with Ukraine when we're already mopping up their EU migrant problem. The next thing will be the economic migrants from Russia. Those with the funds to be able to mobilise their wealth, jump in a vehicle and head for Finland. It's already happening and who could blame the individuals because for them it's the right thing to do rather than stay in Russia.

In terms of people fleeing war they are safe once they've reached the EU so no need to flee the EU.
 
Semple said:
I don't think we're "scared of Russia" per se, it's more the fact that no Western country wants to be involved in war (proxy wars excluded).

He's already made threats with nukes - the warning about not getting involved with the conflict or we'd suffer severe consequences that we've never faced before - or something to that effect.
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The question is how long do we sit here and wait for him to take another none NATO country, he set his eyes on Moldova. He's threatened Finland & Sweden not to Join NATO
 
Curious what the US is up to with all the ARTEMIS platform flights and assets being moved into the region - it feels like more than just being prepared in case of spillover and/or assisting Ukraine with intel.

dave1983 said:
The question is how long do we sit here and wait for him to take another none NATO country, he set his eyes on Moldova. He's threatened Finland & Sweden not to Join NATO
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The way the US is setting up I think Moldova will be a trigger point.
 
I see Russia are making "Humanitarian" corridors but only north to Belarus and Russia. So we're likely to see mass extermination and graves.
 
NickK said:
I see Russia are making "Humanitarian" corridors but only north to Belarus and Russia. So we're likely to see mass extermination and graves.
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As per another poster seems to be trying to get the propaganda win so they can use the footage domestically to show how they are "liberating" Ukrainians from the Nazis.
 
Rroff said:
As per another poster seems to be trying to get the propaganda win so they can use the footage domestically to show how they are "liberating" Ukrainians from the Nazis.
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Yep, this. I think if I was Ukranian the last place I'd want to head for is Russia.
 
thenewoc said:
It became France's problem when France chose to let them cross into their country. It's rather rich of France to criticise the UK for not doing it's bit with Ukraine when we're already mopping up their EU migrant problem. …
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You seem to be conflating illegal migrants with genuine refugees, women and children fleeing from an active war zone.
Wanting to refuse the latter shows exactly what kind of person you are.
As for the former, if I were the French and I had a huge number of illegal immigrants I was stuck looking after who want to get to the uk who’ve just left the eu, then I’d just wave them through. Just to annoy folks like you.
 
dave1983 said:
Yep £1.57 here, i wonder how people will survive on low income with everything going up, it's absolutely nuts. either way the war will costs us money even with the sanctions
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If thinks aren't solved by the winter, millions of people won't survive. They will need serious government help. To the tun of a few thousand per family. The cost of living could easily go up £4,000 for a family of 4. Gas, electricity, food and other goods. No one will be safe either because every part of society has to use a few of these. Even if you use public transport, they will be raising prices too.
 
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