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Those Russian sanctions must be really hurting now. I'm impressed that the UK and US have agreed to stop using Russian oil.

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That was about the side effect of sanctions. It wasn't about the West targeting civilians. Why were children dying? Because Hussein's government was corrupt, and he didn't care enough about his people to ensure they had food and healthcare during the sanction period.

Note that the sanctions did not restrict the import of food and humanitarian aid to Iraq.
 
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Supremacist said:
hence why I provided you with civilian casualties estimates.

Doesn’t quite add up when you say one side is targeting civilians.
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Are you English?
You are not representing what I typed

I said mainly killing civilians you read that as targeting, they are different things
The reports that list the civilian casualties (at least the ones I have read) all say they are probably vastly understated, since no one is going round identifying bodies buried under collapsed buildings etc
 
Supremacist said:
hence why I provided you with civilian casualties estimates.

Doesn’t quite add up when you say one side is targeting civilians.
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Putting aside that those figures are disputed by the allies and Iraqi governments, they were also from the initial bombing and subsequent invasion. So not the first few days. At all.

I’d also say the figure from Ukraine is probably conservative. We’re also seeing whole residential areas are being flattened in multiple cities. With all utilities being cut. Again not something we saw in Iraq.
So yes, the Russians do appear to be a lot less careful in what they’re shooting at.

Not to say the allies didn’t mess up or there were not horrible events. But why are they relevant to what Russia is doing now?! I don’t see the point you could be trying to make, being angry at the world for being angry at Russia. Because what, the allies did bad things in the past? Two wrongs don’t make a right.
 
I have a question: Would western nations be sharing intelligence with Ukraine? Things like Russian troop movements, what to attack, when and with what, etc, etc.

I know we've been sending weapons and that we can't get directly involved for fear of starting WWIII, but would that extend to coaching, advising and thing like sharing satellite imagery with the Ukrainians. Because i would imagine something like that could be seen by Russia as interference/provocation but at the same time easy to cover up, deny, disguise.
 
Murphy said:
I have a question: Would western nations be sharing intelligence with Ukraine? Things like Russian troop movements, what to attack, when and with what, etc, etc.

I know we've been sending weapons and that we can't get directly involved for fear of starting WWIII, but would that extend to coaching, advising and thing like sharing satellite imagery with the Ukrainians. Because i would imagine something like that could be seen by Russia as interference/provocation but at the same time easy to cover up, deny, disguise.
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Some the reported strikes have been remarkably accurate, now this might just be down to the Russians taking the main roads at the can't plough thru fields, but who knows.
The Russians not having air supremacy i think comes down to the well placed AA/manpad type stuff, all over the bloody show, so they can't fly with freedom.
That I believe it one of the real reasons that things have got so bogged down, and advancing has been very slow.
 
I suspect all Russian air movement from their bases is being passed onto the Ukrainians. Maybe why their air defences are doing better than expected. Keep them off until the they know the enemy is close, the turn on and fire when so close can’t do much about it?
 
Murphy said:
I have a question: Would western nations be sharing intelligence with Ukraine? Things like Russian troop movements, what to attack, when and with what, etc, etc.

I know we've been sending weapons and that we can't get directly involved for fear of starting WWIII, but would that extend to coaching, advising and thing like sharing satellite imagery with the Ukrainians. Because i would imagine something like that could be seen by Russia as interference/provocation but at the same time easy to cover up, deny, disguise.
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Yes but obfuscated
https://inews.co.uk/news/ukraine-western-intelligence-data-russia-nato-interference-1504727
 
Murphy said:
I have a question: Would western nations be sharing intelligence with Ukraine? Things like Russian troop movements, what to attack, when and with what, etc, etc.

I know we've been sending weapons and that we can't get directly involved for fear of starting WWIII, but would that extend to coaching, advising and thing like sharing satellite imagery with the Ukrainians. Because i would imagine something like that could be seen by Russia as interference/provocation but at the same time easy to cover up, deny, disguise.
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This is almost certainly happening. They'll be receiving information from the AWACS flying about etc
 
Interesting nugget on the Guardian's live feed:

Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain.​

The wider impact of this war on food production is going to be a bigger deal than oil and gas I think. But I also wonder whether that suggestion is remotely practical, firstly because - to my limited agricultural understanding - the fields that you tend to raise livestock on aren't necessarily suitable for crops and second because farmers presumably only have the equipment they need to do the kind of farming they do. Surely you need a mass of specialist equipment to plant, raise, and harvest grain that a cattle farmer won't have? And this stuff is really expensive, I believe. Perhaps we have someone here with more knowledge who could comment?
 
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Mr Jack said:
Interesting nugget on the Guardian's live feed:

Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain.​

The wider impact of this war on food production is going to be a bigger deal that oil and gas I think. But I also wonder whether that suggestion is remotely practical, firstly because - to my limited agricultural understanding - the fields that you tend to raise livestock on aren't necessarily suitable for crops and second because farmers presumably only have the equipment they need to do the kind of farming they do. Surely you need a mass of specialist equipment to plant, raise, and harvest grain that a cattle farmer won't have? And this stuff is really expensive, I believe. Perhaps we have someone here with more knowledge who could comment?
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Well with my vast knowledge based on Clarksons farm, the farmer will likely have the kit as they'll be more diversified than just cattle farming. The land for the cows should be reasonable as they need grass to graze on.

I think, if it is possible, it is a great move. It'll help drive down meat consumption (good for diet) and reduce carbon footprint.
 
Mr Jack said:
Interesting nugget on the Guardian's live feed:

Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain.​

The wider impact of this war on food production is going to be a bigger deal that oil and gas I think. But I also wonder whether that suggestion is remotely practical, firstly because - to my limited agricultural understanding - the fields that you tend to raise livestock on aren't necessarily suitable for crops and second because farmers presumably only have the equipment they need to do the kind of farming they do. Surely you need a mass of specialist equipment to plant, raise, and harvest grain that a cattle farmer won't have? And this stuff is really expensive, I believe. Perhaps we have someone here with more knowledge who could comment?
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At least you can always put another jumper on if you're cold. Not being able to afford food on top of that is a bit grim. It's not just having the equipment. A lot of the raw materials for fertiliser comes out of Russia as well.
 
0007 said:
*Russian Foreign Ministry Says Operation’s Aims Do Not Include Overthrowing Ukraine’s Govt
*Russian Foreign Ministry Says: United States Must Explain the Biological Programmes in Ukraine
*Russian Foreign Ministry Says It Would Be Better If Our Goals in Ukraine Are Achieved Through Talks
https://twitter.com/CNBCTV18Live/status/1501493114921680898
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Love the last one, no **** Russia seem to be getting hammered.
 
Murphy said:
I have a question: Would western nations be sharing intelligence with Ukraine? Things like Russian troop movements, what to attack, when and with what, etc, etc.

I know we've been sending weapons and that we can't get directly involved for fear of starting WWIII, but would that extend to coaching, advising and thing like sharing satellite imagery with the Ukrainians. Because i would imagine something like that could be seen by Russia as interference/provocation but at the same time easy to cover up, deny, disguise.
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Yes they are and yes russia know that it is happening.
 
0007 said:
*Russian Foreign Ministry Says: United States Must Explain the Biological Programmes in Ukraine
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Conspiracy theorists are eating this up like free bacon. They're convinced that Ukraine and Taiwan are housing nefarious 'biolabs' for the manufacture of WMD, and that Putin and Xi are working together to destroy them.

:rolleyes:
 
Mr Jack said:
Interesting nugget on the Guardian's live feed:

Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain.​

The wider impact of this war on food production is going to be a bigger deal that oil and gas I think. But I also wonder whether that suggestion is remotely practical, firstly because - to my limited agricultural understanding - the fields that you tend to raise livestock on aren't necessarily suitable for crops and second because farmers presumably only have the equipment they need to do the kind of farming they do. Surely you need a mass of specialist equipment to plant, raise, and harvest grain that a cattle farmer won't have? And this stuff is really expensive, I believe. Perhaps we have someone here with more knowledge who could comment?
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We already sowed the hay crop for this year at the tail end of last year, but some do wait for spring. But yes your points are valid about equipment etc plus what do you do with the cattle you already have if you are repurposing the fields.

Plus the lack and cost of fertiliser is going to hit the yields of everything. Last year we spent just over £2k on fert for our hay crop, even just due to Covid the price last Nov for the same amount was now over £9k, so we couldn't afford to get it. Looking now, we couldn't even get fertiliser even if we could afford it.

I mentioned a couple of days ago that the world could be looking at some serious food shortages, which will hit the 3rd world terribly.
 
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