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Freakbro said:
Plus the lack and cost of fertiliser is going to hit the yields of everything. Last year we spent just over £2k on fert for our hay crop, even just due to Covid the price last Nov for the same amount was now over £9k
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An update to this @Mr Jack we enquired again this week about the fertilizer, just got the call back today, it's now £19k...

Thankfully we've got some left from last year that we can focus on putting on our best field and just accept whatever the rest produces but it's obviously not sustainable.

A friend who has a much bigger holding, at hundreds of acres, used to spend about £15k on fert, he sucked it up last Nov and bought at the high Covid induced price and currently has £73k's worth of fert sat in his barn. He said he's going to cry when he's spreading that on the fields :p But he could afford to absorb the loss this year to get through to next, but now it's got much much worse not better. If this carries on through to next year and I don't see why it's wont at this point in time, things are going to come to a grinding halt.
 
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I don't see how this would even work. Having the premises and staff are one thing, but with no access to any IT infrastructure, supply chains etc, they're just going to be opening what's essentially an empty shop.

Take McDonalds as an example, i'm sure they'll need to import a number of products in to make most of the items on the menu. So what is Russia going to do with an McDonalds that they have no ingredients for.
 
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Abandonment rate IMO comes down as much to lacking maintenance as it does lacking will to fight and lacking supplies - a lot of the infantry units, etc. were deployed with only 2-3 magazines of ammo each and rations for 3 days and no real logistics behind them to replenish that - so they are just unable to sustain battle in many cases.
 
Freakbro said:
An update to this @Mr Jack we enquired again this week about the fertilizer, just got the call back today, it's now £19k...
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Yikes!

But he could afford to absorb the loss this year to get through to next, but now it's got much much worse not better. If this carries on through to next year and I don't see why it's wont at this point in time, things are going to come to a grinding halt.
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Can you switch to a different variety of crop that needs less fertiliser, perhaps at the cost of lower yield or other less desirable features? Or is there not much difference between variates in terms of fertiliser usage? I guess it also makes the idea of switching cows to grain even less viable too, especially as it would reduce the availability of "cow derived" fertilisers?
 
The cynic in me thinks that the west will want to drag this conflict out for as along as possible, really bleed Russia of its economy and military resources.

There will be plenty to benefit from defence contracts and weapons manufacturing, and could prove to be quite lucrative for the military industrial complex. It'll also continue to damage one of China's biggest partners.

If Putin wants in any to recover somehow from this mess he needs to seriously consider pulling out.

Unfortunately it's the Ukrainian and Russian people that will just continue to suffer if we don't find a route out of this, and quickly.
 
Crizzy said:
The cynic in me thinks that the west will want to drag this conflict out for as along as possible, really bleed Russia of its economy and military resources.

There will be plenty to benefit from defence contracts and weapons manufacturing, and could prove to be quite lucrative for the military industrial complex. It'll also continue to damage one of China's biggest partners.

If Putin wants in any to recover somehow from this mess he needs to seriously consider pulling out.

Unfortunately it's the Ukrainian and Russian people that will just continue to suffer if we don't find a route out of this, and quickly.
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We'll all suffer hugely if this drags out. Our own economies will be collapsing.
 
Freakbro said:
An update to this @Mr Jack we enquired again this week about the fertilizer, just got the call back today, it's now £19k...

Thankfully we've got some left from last year that we can focus on putting on our best field and just accept whatever the rest produces but it's obviously not sustainable.

A friend who has a much bigger holding, at hundreds of acres, used to spend about £15k on fert, he sucked it up last Nov and bought at the high Covid induced price and currently has £73k's worth of fert sat in his barn. He said he's going to cry when he's spreading that on the fields :p But he could afford to absorb the loss this year to get through to next, but now it's got much much worse not better. If this carries on through to next year and I don't see why it's wont at this point in time, things are going to come to a grinding halt.
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Food prices will skyrocket in the near future as availability drops off. I have lots of pasta and flour in the "brexit store". It's now brexit store v4.0, I think.

This will be very bad news for countries (eg egypt) where the government provides free bread to maintain their popularity.

If Russia can stay in it for the long game, this could put them in a powerful position at the end of 2022.
 
Mr Jack said:
Can you switch to a different variety of crop that needs less fertiliser, perhaps at the cost of lower yield or other less desirable features? Or is there not much difference between variates in terms of fertiliser usage? I guess it also makes the idea of switching cows to grain even less viable too, especially as it would reduce the availability of "cow derived" fertilisers?
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We've just transitioned from a farm growing food crops, say 5 years ago, to now a horse livery and we grow hay for that. As you mentioned in your first post, it's about equipment as well, as we've had to sell off all the stuff used for wheat and get equipment useful for hay, so it's not as easy for small holdings such as ours to just say we'll grow wheat again this year.

Tbh, with all this talk of need our own food security, the Govt seem actively keen to get rid of all the small farmers like we were. We just received an email again from DEFRA, they are offering a lump sum payment for people to sell up and retire.
 
Something I've been banging on for quite a long time now is the need to maintain our domestic food security and reserves... but people just couldn't foresee situations like this (or worse) happening :s
 
Crizzy said:
The cynic in me thinks that the west will want to drag this conflict out for as along as possible, really bleed Russia of its economy and military resources.

There will be plenty to benefit from defence contracts and weapons manufacturing, and could prove to be quite lucrative for the military industrial complex. It'll also continue to damage one of China's biggest partners.

If Putin wants in any to recover somehow from this mess he needs to seriously consider pulling out.

Unfortunately it's the Ukrainian and Russian people that will just continue to suffer if we don't find a route out of this, and quickly.
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The conflict doesn't need to be dragged out to do serious damage to Russia's economy, that's already happened and will continue to happen whilst sanctions are in place. I can't see the West lifting sanctions even if Putin stopped the war this afternoon. There's also a lot of long-term planning regarding not being reliant on Russia's oil and gas. So a lot of these sanctions will be in place for years to come regardless of how long the conflict drags on for.
 
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