Shhhh you'll give Lavrov ideas for his next story at the UN
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Shhhh you'll give Lavrov ideas for his next story at the UN
Soldato
They didnt have the launch codes.
Other than going dirty with them they were useless
The disarmament was to stop them potentially falling into bad hands and being used dirty
We've been and done all this in the 80s. As long as we don't actually shoot at each other, the nukes stay on the ground. Everything else is fair game, economic war, proxy wars, cyber warfare.....but we won't shoot at each other.
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+1
Cold war Mk11 Worked for 40 years previously.
he had Weapons Of Mass Destruction though
By that same argument we haven't tested whether the nukes stay on the ground or not if we do shoot at each other - so we don't know what would happen. Just as we didn't know what would happen with each of those actions in the 80s. Difficult to say whether the same logic will apply to Putin, too.
Soldato
Have you got a source for that?
Everything I have read says Ukraine had full operational control of the nukes left in their country.
Launch codes/PAL only prevent malicious use, etc. while modern nuclear weapons have fairly robust anti-tamper protection against disassembly I doubt those did. With enough time they could probably have engineered their own weapons from them.
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Its commonly quoted where they were pointed etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucle...ruggled,assurances of the Budapest Memorandum.
They were not operational when the USSR withdrew.
They believe they could have been made operational, but fundamentally they didnt leave an envelope on the desk with the launch codes in it
Because by and large the world would still exist after the effects of sanctions are felt, not so much if it were a nuclear war.
Soldato
I wonder if they actually have the launch capabilities they once had? Seems their equipment and ground forces seem to be an ill prepared shambles
E: Russia that is
E: Russia that is
Soldato
Yes well of course, but that is somewhat a different argument
I agree they probably could have made them good had they needed to, but as the wiki article says, not only would they have faced issues with the west, they didnt have an active nuclear weapons program which they would have needed at some point as well
Definitely, I said the same thing last week. I think he will control the population the same way Xi Jinping does, with 're-education centres' he's already labelled them Nazis the next step in his mind is to throw them in 're-education centres' he's already burnt his bridges with the world and he's bombing hospitals, he doesn't care any more what the world thinks of him.
Soldato
Although Biden seems to be handing this well, him being in the chair seems to have helped galvanise NATO and the EU in ways that seemed impossible just 2 years ago, I just wish he was 15 years younger. Christ he looks old. Men approaching 80 have no business leading government. The should be enjoying the last few years of their life in retirement.
Mixed stories on that - some suggestion the Topol-Ms (at least the mobile ones) have had investment, etc. over the years and appear to be regularly serviced and rotated. Some of the other stuff claims they are basically rotting away.
Soldato
If you have the actual physics packages would you need the launch codes? Could the gubbins not just be swapped into another delivery system of their own making?
Soldato
I'm sure there subs are ready and all up to date though. Perhaps that is where the money went to keep up to date.
Depends on the protection measures - some nuclear weapons have anti-tamper mechanisms which are very hard to bypass destroying the content beyond repurposability - I doubt those of that era were that well protected though.
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